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    Gee Aye

    I wouldn’t know what day it was without this blog.

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    Robber

    CSIRO Renewable Energy Storage Roadmap
    “Storage of renewable energy will be essential to Australia’s net zero transition but will require significant investment”.
    The report indicates that the national electricity market (NEM) could require a 10 to 14-fold increase in its electricity storage capacity between 2025-2050.
    CSIRO Chief Executive Larry Marshall noted new technologies would be needed to increase penetration of renewables and stabilise the grid while we start to build utility scale storage capacity.

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      Dennis

      Have cart, wanted person to design a horse.

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        David Maddison

        And the horse would turn out to be a camel, a horse designed by a committee…

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          Gary S

          Overheard today – Blackout Bowen using the oxymoronic term ‘dispatchable renewables’. Somewhere in the world, a village is missing it’s idiot.

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      David Maddison

      Here’s an idea!

      Why not forget about storage and just produce electricity on-demand as we always have?

      There is no engineeringly-feasible or cost-feasible means to store the staggering amount of electricity required to backup random solar and wind generation.

      Someone has done this exercise for the United States, looking at pumped hydro in that case. It just can’t be done. https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/2011/11/pump-up-the-storage/

      It will end up with electricity rationing and high costs as there is no way to store any reasonable amount of electricity to run an industrial civilisation.

      The government will allow enough electricity for some limited night-time lighting, power to run an internet connected TV or tablet device to receive government propaganda and a small amount of power to cook your daily ration of insects and gruel.

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        John Connor II

        What about that phenomenal energy waster called street lighting?
        How about their being turned off by default but activated by nearby motion like cars and people. It wouldn’t cost much to retrofit sensors.
        Or just dim them during the wee small hours when the sheeple are sleeping.
        100’s of GW being wasted?

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          David Maddison

          How about their being turned off by default but activated by nearby motion like cars and people. It wouldn’t cost much to retrofit sensors.

          When we get to the point that street lighting is turned off or operated by motion sensing to save power, there won’t be any cars at all (except for Elites) and there will be night-time curfews so there won’t be anyone on the street anyway.

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            John Connor II

            When we get to the point that street lighting is turned off or operated by motion sensing to save power, there won’t be any cars at all (except for Elites) and there will be night-time curfews so there won’t be anyone on the street anyway.

            I know what you’re saying but the point is not to waste power in the first place as is being done, (in the same way that you (presumably) don’t leave lights on in your house after you’ve gone to bed) so that if we’re forced to use so-called renewables as a primary power source we stand a better chance of avoiding blackouts, due to the reduced grid load from disabling non-essential drains.

            We’ve only got months left, so it’s academic.
            After what I read this morning, it’s all going to go boom before Biden loses the plot completely, so…the end of the year?

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            Geoff Sherrington

            Why are greens not screaming about the energy waste from driving cars in the day, with lights on?
            On past trips to China, merely a bright moon at night was enough to curb headlights. Few seen in the daytime.
            Perhaps your average Chinese driver is smarter than ours.
            Geoff S

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              Annie

              Day running lights are a safety feature. I’ve seen (eventually) many cars loom up in the dusk, fog or heavy rain invisible until very close. I’m mystified by the drivers who use no lights at all in these conditions or think that parking lights will do the job. Parking lights aren’t visible until the vehicle itself is. Certain colours render vehicles almost invisible in gloomy conditions.

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          “turned off by default but activated by nearby motion like cars” Yeah, sure. So the failure rate will go way up. The sheeple may be asleep but the hoons are wide awake (on meth etc) and would have great fun with the function. The car thieves do it anyway, by smashing into light and power poles.

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          tonyb

          They have tried turning off street lighting in various places between 12 and 5 but found that crime rose so turned them back on again.

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        Glenn

        I could not agree more David…and the smart meters that the energy authorities have insisted we all have are the means to control what energy there will be. Exceed your hourly ration and off go the lights ! Interestingly, my smart meter communicates via the 4G mobile phone system. As they buggered up the install, I eventually had a Tech from the supply authority ring me to ask me to go look at the new meters and tell him what they were revcealing via their displays. He did a reset and all came good, but he was helpful in answering my questions as to how it all works. They have mounted the antennas inside my metal power box ( ?? ) and they do a data dump on the back side of the clock every night so as not to overload the mobile phone system. Hpw all this is going to work if the power goes off remains to be seen.

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          James Murphy

          I fear it will be “when” the power goes off, not “if”!

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          ozfred

          Rural WA houses are far enough apart the smart meter communication is sometimes “iffy”. After complaining about a missed billing read (estimates don’t credit power sent back to the grid) a tech came and installed an antenna on the TOP of the metal meter box.
          He implied non-telephone radio frequencies were used in a mesh system allowing for each meter to “pass on” readings.
          Any WA experts?

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            David Maddison

            It is correct that smart meters use mesh radio. I believe they use the Zigbee mesh protocol at 915NHz and 2.4GHz.

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      CSIRO Chief Executive Larry Marshall apparently does not know that CO2 is a simple, stable molecule that does not generate any heat at all so it cannot raise the temperature of its surroundings. It does scatter radiation so the less CO2 we have the more of the Sun’s radiation reaches the Earth’s surface and the hotter it gets, due to the Sun, even more so for methane.
      Who employed this bloke?

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        GlenM

        He’s an expert and the opinions of experts are incontrovertible. Well, at least your experts are.

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      RickWill

      This is what he stated

      while we start to build utility scale storage capacity.

      This is what he should have stated:
      “while we ask China to build more utility scale batteries.”

      It shows how deluded this fool is thinking that Australia has any capacity to make energy intensive stuff relying on the weather as the energy source.

      China is on target to consume 4,230,000,000 tonnes of coal this year. I was the third person on the payroll of the current largest coal export facility in Australia. In my time we went from zero to 15Mtpa. We thought that production was an enormous amount of coal. It was loaded into ships at 2 tonne. second. They can now load at 6 tonne per second and has rated capacity of 86Mtpa. It would take 50 of these massive export facilities to meet China’s coal consumption. It is MASSIVE.

      And we have a dingbat in CSIRO thinking that Australia can make batteries using fairy farts and twinkle dust.

      TBM Florence has managed 150m of 15,000m tunnel for Snowy 2 in 14 months. So pumped hydro in a distant future.

      I am all for shutting down Eraring next year rather than 2025. Lets get serious about cutting “greenhouse gasses”

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      KP

      Its is laughable! Wind will supply half the power needed, and the rest will be ” VPP, virtual power plants” I expect, so you can imagine you have electricity.

      Seeing we have no storage at the moment, 10 to 14 times that won’t help. Their options are all pixie dust and unicorn farts hidden in swish language. The pages I read before I was bored amounted to “We need to do this, but we don’t know how we are going to do it.. something will turn up!”

      Pretty sad if they’re best scientists Australia can offer.

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        Geoff Sherrington

        KP,
        When I was a working scientist, we were sacked if we did not deliver the goods. Real, finite goods. Ours were new mines.
        Geoff S by

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    Hanrahan

    At the moment ruinables are meeting 39% of demand, the highest percentage I’ve seen for some time.

    Ergo, any power to be stored will be from coal/gas. It is counter productive to store hydro because the water at height is already “stored power”. ONLY if the dam is topping does it make sense to store hydro.

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      David Maddison

      And given that the government, politicians and public serpents routinely and unashamedly lie now, how much can we even trust those figures for ruinables?

      Might they be getting inflated just to suit the narrative. We are living in an Orwellian society after all.

      It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grammes a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be REDUCED to twenty grammes a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it. 1984

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        Hanrahan

        Do you have reason to doubt AEMO live data?

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          David Maddison

          I merely asked whether it can be trusted.

          I think its dangerous to automatically assume that any figures from any government or government-related body can be trusted in relation to ANY matter, especially a body such as AEMO that ultimately reports to the Energy and Climate Change Ministerial Council which has a specific agenda to push.

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            Old Goat

            David,
            I have “adjusted” the amount of trust I have in any group that have anything to do with “renewables” . AEMO is on that list . A.B.C. Accept nothing, Believe no one and Check everything.

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          Graeme#4

          Absolutely. For a start, home solar energy contribution is just a guess, based on other factors – they cannot actually measure this amount. So if this figure is always just a guess, then the resultant other figures must also be questionable.

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      Robber

      Just look at the escalating cost of Snowy2 pumped hydro – storing electricity is not easy, and costly.

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      James Murphy

      speaking of Australian data, when it comes to real-time data streams like AEMO, etc, is it still the case that rooftop solar power generation is estimated rather than measured?

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        RickWill

        Yes. This linked data includes the estimated distributed PV.

        https://opennem.org.au/energy/nem/?range=all&interval=1M

        You will see the peak monthly demand for this century was last July. The previous peak was just before the GFC in July 2008. Peak demand dipped from 2008 to 2014 then had a steady rise till 2019. Covid knocked it back down till last year.

        So the ups and downs fit with economic activity. However back in 2008, the distributed PV was next to zero. I was one of the first to install rooftop solar and that was back in 2010.

        Minimum wholesale demand now regular;y occurs through the middle of the day when the rooftops are singing. Price nearly always negative in SA on a sunny day in the milder seasons and grid power inevitably curtailed.
        However
        In Victoria, rooftop that goes out to the grid is measured and is used for exported power income. However STCs produced are estimated in all states and traded at a value of $40/MWh. So that estimate has commercial value because it reduces or increases the retailers cost depending on whether they have a deficit or surplus of STCs.

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          Geoff Sherrington

          Rick,
          Ah, the inquiring mind. Early adopter and all that. Great when it comes good, but it nearly broke me when a few new ideas went belly up in a short time.
          Memory lane, my Dad, brother and I built a roof top solar hot water system to CSIRO plans in 1956. Big copper plates with copper tubes soldered on, in frames under double panels of glass. It was Townsville, so should have worked well. Near-optimum declination, azimuth too. But in winter three teen boys combined used almost as much shower water as a woman. Come Winter, we added storage, a big galvanised garbage can. Insulation was strips of Army Surplus wool greatcoat. Even then we next added an electric immersion heater and thermostat control. The glass area was close to 4 sq metres, so not a toy. It was thus that my brother who was later on a uni scholarship for engineering with the Regional Electricity Board started to lecture me about intermittency, control feedback, clouds, planetary geometry and sun angles etc. By falling off the roof, I contributed to gravity and cleaning maintenance economic burdens.
          All this was enough to put me off solar electricity before it became commercial. Geoff S

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            RickWill

            My foray into solar was as much experimental as financial but it was initiated by an old friend who was the business accountant where we worked many years ago but had moved into managing super investments for people he knew. He told me about 15 years ago that rooftop solar was one of the best investments I could make as I approached retirement. He was right. It has paid back handsomely and continues to do so because I still get 66c/kWh for exported power. That ends next year and I will need to decide if I go off grid.

            I have fiddled around with electric hot water using excess solar in summer. I went through a couple of summers with the gas heater turned off and it worked quite well with 4 of us in the house at the time but we had to beat the D-I-L showering in the evening. It shortened her shower because it would get progressively colder. If it was not up to temperature by sunset, it would run off the grid power to get to temperature but would not heat after 8pm. On a sunny day in the peak of summer it would be at temperature just after noon.

            The water heating highlighted how much solar would be needed to warm water in winter. Once energy gets up to around 50c/kWh, it really pays to look at the finances of heat pumps.

            Heating the house with gas is now expensive. The wood burner has payed for itself a couple of times over. I burn it at about 10kW input and I gat 6 to 7kW out of it. It makes the house cozy compared to the gas heater.

            This year I have not needed to visit the forest for wood. There was a site cleared that offered cut logs for the sake of picking them up. Then a couple of neighbours know I am happy to take any solid tree cuttings. I helped on neighbour remove a large maple tree that was beginning ti impinge on his roofing and he appreciated me taking the wood.

            I am heading into winter with more than a year’s worth of wood and the electricity/gas $450 in credit.

            Overall I have quite a good handle on household energy. I have not paid for any household energy for 6 years now since installing the wood burner.

            I would like to say I predicted the current mess with energy and set about insulating myself from that exposure about 15 years ago but it all started by taking some good financial advice to start with from a canny accountant who always had an eye out for making money. He was semi-retired by mid 40s and got bored with working on his golf handicap so helped others with their super.

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        Graeme#4

        As I’ve commented above, if one slice of the pie is just a guess, then surely all other pie slice amounts are suspect.

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    John Connor II

    UK’s emergency alert system failed; we should make sure alerts are turned off for future trials

    The UK government’s emergency alert was intended to reach people’s phones at 3 pm on Sunday. However, some said they received it a minute earlier, others half an hour late, and many said they didn’t get sent it at all. The national emergency alert system failed to sound on up to 10 million phones.

    It was probably better to not receive it at all when you consider that some people said they were sent the emergency alert during the early hours of Monday morning. Others also reported that they received the alert on Monday morning for the second time.

    But those who didn’t receive the alert may consider themselves even more fortunate considering some people have reported on social media that they have not been able to make or receive calls since the alarm went off on their device at 3 pm on Sunday.

    The farce doesn’t end with failures to receive alerts. Welsh speakers were perturbed to receive a message that made no sense after the computerised system made up the word “Vogel,” which is a ski resort in Slovenia. The letter ‘V’ does not exist in the Welsh language.

    https://expose-news.com/2023/04/25/uks-emergency-alert-system-failed/

    Well prepared for WW3 within the next year then…

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    John Connor II

    Rise of the machine: ChatGPT’s Electricity Consumption.

    ChatGPT may have consumed as much electricity as 175,000 people in January 2023.

    The table shows that ChatGPT’s electricity consumption in January 2023 is estimated to be between 1,168,200 KWh and 23,364,000 KWh.

    https://towardsdatascience.com/chatgpts-electricity-consumption-7873483feac4

    Estimating ChatGPT costs is a tricky proposition due to several unknown variables. We built a cost model indicating that ChatGPT costs $694,444 per day to operate in compute hardware costs. OpenAI requires ~3,617 HGX A100 servers (28,936 GPUs) to serve Chat GPT. We estimate the cost per query to be 0.36 cents.

    First off, let’s define the parameters of the search market. Our sources indicate that Google runs ~320,000 search queries per second. Compare this to Google’s Search business segment, which saw revenue of $162.45 billion in 2022, and you get to an average revenue per query of 1.61 cents. From here, Google has to pay for a tremendous amount of overhead from compute and networking for searches, advertising, web crawling, model development, employees, etc. A noteworthy line item in Google’s cost structure is that they paid in the neighborhood of ~$20B to be the default search engine on Apple’s products.

    Google’s Services business unit has an operating margin of 34.15%. If we allocate the COGS/operating expense per query, you arrive at the cost of 1.06 cents per search query, generating 1.61 cents of revenue. This means that a search query with an LLM has to be significantly less than <0.5 cents per query, or the search business would become tremendously unprofitable for Google.

    https://www.semianalysis.com/p/the-inference-cost-of-search-disruption

    You’re going to need more solar panels and windmills.

    The human brain (non liberal😉) consumes about 20 watts in comparison.

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      John Connor II

      Scientists Built a Machine From Lego That Can Grow Human Skin

      The emergence of 3D bioprinting has provided a potential solution to the difficulty in sourcing tissue samples. This technology involves loading “bio-ink”, which contains living cells, into a cartridge.

      That, in turn, is then loaded into the bioprinter. Once programmed, the bioprinter prints the cell-laden bio-ink to form 3D structures that aim to replicate the complex formation of biological tissue.

      Still in its infancy, our bioprinter, which cost £500 (US$624) to build, achieves the required level of precision to produce delicate biological material. The way it does this is remarkably simple.

      A nozzle ejects a gel-like substance, which is full of cells, onto a dish. At the heart of the device is a mini Lego Mindstorms computer. This device moves the dish backwards and forwards and side to side while moving the nozzle up and down mechanically as it extrudes the gel full of cells.

      These programmable movements build up layers of the cells to replicate the 3D structure of human tissue, layer by layer.

      https://theconversation.com/we-built-a-human-skin-printer-from-lego-and-we-want-every-lab-to-use-our-blueprint-203170

      3D printing and bioprinting in particular are setting the stage for the sentience aspect of A.I.
      Simulating animal muscles is still a major hurdle given how they work although 3D printing them could be very interesting.
      Sentience, the intelligent ability to analyze one’s self and the environment through various senses, will be ready and waiting for real A.I. when it finally arrives, given the rate of progress.
      A.I. will be more cyborg than machine because that approach eliminates the mechanical limitations that would otherwise exist.
      Interesting times ahead.

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    another ian

    “EXPOSED: Covid alarmists busted over dodgy mask study”

    “Burnet Institute, a leading medical organisation, has been torn to shreds over its misleading research around the effectiveness of masks.

    The institute provided health advice to both NSW and Victorian governments, which was based on research that examined 44 photographs from BEFORE and AFTER the introduction of mandatory masks in public spaces.

    From those photos, Burnet Institute concluded that the number of people wearing masks had increased to 97 per cent, which is now believed to be untrue, as the institute has not provided the methodology of their study.

    “They concluded masks were working based on photos from a newspaper…Seriously?” said Ben.”

    https://www.2gb.com/exposed-covid-alarmists-busted-over-dodgy-mask-study/

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      John Connor II

      A new study by German scientists has concluded that face masks can cause brain damage in humans, even if worn for short periods.

      The study warns that even short-term exposure to concentrations of CO2 as low as 0.3% caused significant brain damage, increased anxiety, and impaired memory.

      Summit.news reports: In another, when male mice were exposed to 2.5 percent CO2 for four hours, testicular cells and sperm were destroyed. The equivalent amount for humans would be 0.5 percent of CO2 over the same time period.

      Yet another experiment discovered that stillbirth and birth defects occurred in pregnant rats that were exposed to just 3 percent CO2, which would be equal to 0.8 percent for humans.

      The study also points to research that found just five minutes of mask wearing resulted in CO2 levels increasing to between 1.4 percent and 3.2 percent.

      https://summit.news/2023/04/24/explosive-new-study-finds-face-masks-may-increase-stillbirths-testicular-dysfunction-cognitive-decline-in-kids/

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        Leo G

        A new study by German scientists has concluded that face masks can cause brain damage in humans

        The likely cause would relate to the chemoreceptors that detect pH changes in spinal fluid. The chemoreceptors can be desensitized over time from chronic hypoxia and increased carbon dioxide- conditions which are associated with mask wearing.

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          Geoff Sherrington

          LeoG,
          No, no, no…
          This is a classic case of reverse causation.
          Stupid people wear masks voluntarily. Smart people, under duress.
          You do not have to be smart to observe after 10 mins of wearing, that masks do not manage air flow adequately.
          Any after the event study will of course find a correlation between mask wearing and low intelligence.
          This is serious. The claims that trace amounts of ingested lead Pb lower the IQ of young children led to lead in petrol being banned at huge economic penalty. Reverse causation again! The kids mostly prone to chew window putty with lead paint coating had lower IQ from the start. I knew some of them.
          This is not my claim. It came from Dr Allen Christophers who for 40 years after WWII was the main global Goto guru on lead poisoning. Sure lead is toxic in big doses, but not through IQ effects. Different mechanism to alleged trace damage. The whole Pb story, in the 1990s, opened my eyes wide to the emerging scientific fraud-for-control of global warming.Geoff S

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      David Maddison

      Follow the money trail.

      If the “research” is funded by taxpayers, you can BET the answer provided will be the one requested by “authorities”.

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        Geoff Sherrington

        DM,
        Remember the times before Bureaucracy-for-Everything when we went to the Doctor, paid for the service, then did the treatment?
        Rather a low cost arrangement compared to Medicare,Medibank, private health insurance, Therapeutic Goods Administration, NHMRC, Pharmacy Safety Net et al, et al?
        To paraphrase, If the service is collectively funded by taxpayers, the answer will be the funds the authorities wanted.
        It is so, so simple to revert to the simple system.
        Ditto for simple electricity generation.
        Geoff S

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    John Connor II

    New proposals would let governments seize domain names

    Two US organizations – a non-profit and a corporation – are planning to “quietly” give governments around the world the right to seize domain names by means of canceling, redirecting, or transferring control.

    This is based on the “Proposed Renewal of the Registry Agreement for .NET” – recently published by the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), and Verisign.

    Verisign is in charge of operating .COM and .NET TLDs (top-level domains, and while what critically-minded observers say the controversial paper now aims to change relates only to the .NET domain names, the fear is that the world is in for a slippery slope, that could eventually – as it comes up on the agenda of contract renewal – affect .COM the same way.

    The item, blasted as “dangerous and outrageous,” is “hidden” in the appending of the registry agreement proposal – specifically in Section 2.7 of Appendix 8.

    If accepted, this would let Verisign – which has been described as an “abusive monopolist” by some – to deny, cancel, redirect, or transfer registration or transaction, or put any domain name on registry lock or hold it in another manner – and all this “as it deems necessary, in its unlimited and sole discretion.”

    https://reclaimthenet.org/new-proposals-would-let-governments-seize-domain-names

    Any site daring to defy gubermint narratives will be unreachable or redirected to a gubermint “this site contains misinformation” page.

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    John Connor II

    Thursday funny: dog owners will understand

    Fetch!
    Bring it here!
    HERE!

    https://va.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_rtes7ndHzw1w5pr9j.mp4

    😄

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    GreatAuntJanet

    What damn liars! This latest video from Dr John Campbell is simply titled ‘Three Corrections’ – but the actions he is discussing are outrageous. How do the authorities ever expect to regain trust when they cannot allow accurate data and continue to cover up? It’s only 12 minutes long.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrUgJXZuCyw

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      David Maddison

      Thanks Janet.

      There are interesting comments on the video as well.

      It’s good news government authorities have now “corrected” those figures such that they no longer show a signifcant increase in adverse events which puts the Lanarkshire area of the UK where they are from at variance with everywhere else. It must be something beneficial in the water they have there…

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      KP

      He is wonderful!

      So he’s happy that fewer people are having heart problems now that the Health bureaurats have changed their figures after he published their emergency attendances of 59000, now only 344… Same with an FOI on miscarriages which was hurriedly corrected after he featured it.

      As someone said, the best way to health is to file a freedom of information request and put it on Dr Campbell’s show.

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      Honk R Smith

      To paraphrase Clausewitz …
      ‘Science is warfare by other means’.
      Funny, the aristocracy once ruled us with the production of armor and guns.
      Now they rule with the production of PhDs.
      I suppose the carnage is reduced.
      Obfuscated and less messy at least.
      Casualty stats?
      Who knows, as the mercenary army of PhDs will bury the numbers in an ocean of BS data.

      The 1st and 2nd Amendments of the US Constitution is(are) the last hill.
      Funny, here in the US, the 2nd has been under assault from the Left for decades.
      Now they’ve turned on the 1st.
      Led by this sweet little Congressperson.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWempcntx_0
      It is then that the New Feudal Lords will eliminate their army of PhDs and and Woke Red Guard, an return to the glory days of rule by iron.

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      I like such coincidences 😀
      based on wishfull thinking 😀

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      MrGrimNasty

      In the first case they obviously somehow reported the last year as the total of that year and the year before. Certainly a genuine if rather dumb mistake.

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    David Maddison

    The reason the former British colonies Australia, Canada and NZ and Once Great Britain itself reject notions of “natural rights” which lack strong (or any) protection in those countries is because they were influenced by the philosopher Jeremy Bentham who did not believe in natural rights as derived from God or nature (depending upon your belief). He thought rights only came from man, i.e. government.

    The founding fathers of the US on the other hand were influenced by philosophers like John Locke, Jean Jacques Rousseau and Baron de Montesquieu who did recognise God-given natural rights and this is reflected in the US Declaration of Independence and US Constitution.

    Video about “Jeremy Bentham’s Attack on Natural Rights” at: https://youtu.be/Ecp-PR_K1JI (16 mins)

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    Mike Jonas

    The problem will be solved by electric planes – that ‘s battery aeroplanes.
    This is what’s keeping electric planes from taking off
    The batteries required to get a decent-sized plane across the Atlantic would weigh something like ten times the amount that the plane is allowed to carry. So the easy way out is to park the plane on the ground and use its battery to power the nearest town. London would only need about 250,000 planes to power it for the time it used to take to fly to New York. And the big advantage for everyone is that they get to stay at home, and don’t have to fly to New York. Air crew wouldn’t lose their jobs because they could be paid the same amount to sit in the plane – well actually outside the plane because there wouldn’t be any room inside for people. But however you look at it, everyone’s a winner.

    Edit: That was supposed to be a reply to someone but it’s hard to keep track of these things on a jumpy iPhone. But it doesn’t really matter because what I wrote would answer any question. Except things like ‘what’s for dinner’ (answer: crickets).

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      environment sceptic

      it is easy to be sceptical about the environment in which BPP’s (battery powered planes)find themselves in.

      However, the main thing about battery powered planes is that to make them possible, science had to figure out that all that was required was to get them into the air, and the rest of the trip would mainly be gliding on the air currents.

      And therefore, for the plane to fly across the atlantic, once airborne, the plane would glide the rest of the way eliminating the need for so many batteries.

      Solved!!

      Edit: This addresses the ‘battery size’ problem associated with “decent-sized plane”..

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      Hanrahan

      The future of electric flight is NOT limited by the batteries but by the conversion of available power to THRUST.

      I see no possibility of electric aircraft being propelled by anything other propellers and I think everyone can see the limits there. A jet engine OTOH can produce massive thrust which, in the converse of Catch 22, allows it to lift off with all the extra fuel needed to produce that thrust. This is so marked that max take off weight is much greater than max landing weight. An EA’s landing weight is equal to its take off weight so where’s the payload?

      In our lifetimes its development will be limited to aero club and air taxi work and some private equivalent.

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        Hanrahan

        A little more on payload: The B29, the biggest propellor driven bomber of the war, which really pushed the envelope technically, could carry a 16,000 lb bomb load. A B 777 freighter OTOH will carry 112.3 tonnes[quoting Boeing].

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          Graeme#4

          Somebody has calculated that converting an A320 Neo to electric and still obtaining the same range would require 1490 tonnes of batteries, which would take 11 days to recharge at a 1MW charge rate.

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    Google Archipelago

    How big is floating liquid water drops in clouds? Tiny. How do we know this? Think about a plane going through a cloud just shy of the speed of sound. If the drops weren’t 1. Tiny and 2. Repelling each against all others, with extreme prejudice, then it would be like hitting a wall of water. Both requirements are necessary for it not to be a crash.

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    el+gordo

    Talk is cheap.

    ‘Hurricanes, typhoons and tropical storms may be more powerful than usual this year thanks to a record-breaking spike in global ocean temperatures.

    ‘The global average sea surface temperature hit a record high of 21.1°C on 1 April, according to data from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) in the US and compiled by the University of Maine.’ (New Scientist)

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    environment sceptic

    Of course mRNA technology recently invented, in the last decade or more, will make it possible for cells to express the genes to make feathers, and so with a single, or a more lasting 60 day gene therapy prescription to instruct respective cells to make feathers, this will make air planes or even batteries for transport obsolete somewhat, especially in view of life when carried up to the polar jet streams to take advantage of ‘gliding’…

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    Google Archipelago

    There is a certain minimum temperature for Hurricanes but beyond that temperature doesn’t seem to affect them. People who predict these things go on weird indications like having a new moon in August. Then the solar wind will come in over the top of this. Since it’s all about electricity fighting it’s way down.

    The statement is fundamentally irrational since energy goes from being focused to dispersed. You can’t get nuclear bomb power out of tepid water. Impossible crazy talk.

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    another ian

    “Is A News Anchor Lying To You? Know The Signs!”

    https://babylonbee.com/video/is-a-news-anchor-lying-to-you-know-the-signs

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    KP

    “People who predict these things go on weird indications like having a new moon in August.”

    Where is the new moon in relation to the Earth’s orbit? Do you think it has a different effect on the weather compared to full moon?

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      Google Archipelago

      A new moon would be a solar eclipse if it was midday, on the equator, and if the moon orbited perfectly our equator. But in reality I think it goes 5% either way. And of course we are on a tilt or an axis. So get rid of that tilt also and that would make a new moon a solar eclipse at noon.

      But now adjust for everything out of whack in reality. And a full moon is where the moon is on the other side of the earth from the sun. Therefore would be shaded but for all these other provisos.I hope that helps.

      In bonehead tide theory there is a high tide on both cases as the sun adds to the moons gravity. If you want to give yourself an own goal with a flat earth advocate, go right ahead and buy into that doctrine.

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    Google Archipelago

    I don’t understand it completely but they are both high electricity time periods. We see the effect of both in extra high tides and American August hurricanes. James McCanney used to use new moons first and full moon second as a predictor. I am not great at visualising these things. Piers Corbin uses the moon as does the New Zealander. Out of the three I think it’s the kiwi who shies away from an electrical explanation, which is some sort of professional taboo or just playing silly buggers.

    What happens is the moon blocks the solar wind thus building up electrical pressure. When it passes by there will be an inward rush of electrical energy that then must work its way down. So the big tides don’t come when the moon is overhead, quite the contrary, disproving the gravity theory.

    Why August? McCanney thinks earth passes through the suns return current sheet in August.

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    STJOHNOFGRAFTON

    1540 Experts Agree There Is No Climate Emergency

    “Why are we allowing our elected officials to spend endless funds on an imaginary cause?”
    https://www.theburningplatform.com/2023/04/27/1540-experts-agree-there-is-no-climate-emergency/#more-301075

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    Common dandelion (Taraxacum officinale) efficiently blocks the interaction between ACE2 cell surface receptor and SARS-CoV-2 spike protein D614, mutants D614G, N501Y, K417N and E484K in vitro

    Abstract
    To date, there have been rapidly spreading new SARS-CoV-2 “variants of concern”. They all contain multiple mutations in the ACE2 receptor recognition site of the spike protein, compared to the original Wuhan sequence, which is of great concern, because of their potential for immune escape. Here we report on the efficacy of common dandelion (Taraxacum officinale) to block protein–protein interaction of SARS-COV-2 spike to the human ACE2 receptor. This could be shown for the wild type and mutant forms (D614G, N501Y, and a mix of K417N, E484K, and N501Y) in human HEK293-hACE2 kidney and A549-hACE2-TMPRSS2 lung cells. High-molecular-weight compounds in the water-based extract account for this effect. Infection of the lung cells using SARS-CoV-2 spike D614 and spike Delta (B.1.617.2) variant pseudotyped lentivirus particles was efficiently prevented by the extract and so was virus-triggered pro-inflammatory interleukin 6 secretion. Modern herbal monographs consider the usage of this medicinal plant as safe. Thus, the in vitro results reported here should encourage further research on the clinical relevance and applicability of the extract as prevention strategy for SARS-CoV-2 infection in terms of a non-invasive, oral post-exposure prophylaxis.

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    Former NIH researcher

    I have been thinking of a way to prove logically that warming by CO2 is impossible, not relying on experiments or measurements, and I think I have found it.
    Premise nr 1: Henry’s law. As water gets warmer, dissolved Co2 will leave the liquid and become part of the atmosphere. Higher temperatures lead to more Co2 in the atmosphere.
    Premise nr 2: Co2 in the atmosphere will lead to higher temperature.
    Result: we immediately have a positive feedback loop which will create runaway warming and never stop.
    Greens will maybe say: Yes, exactly, this is the tipping point, point of no return. To this can be replied: No, with a positive feedback loop like this, the runaway would have happened millions of years ago.
    In other words: if Co2 has a warming effect, the planet would already be unliveable.
    Could this argument be used in the debate? If not, why not? Since it is purely based on Logic it cannot really be disputed without disputing Henry’s law and everyone’s experience with soft drinks

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      Graeme No.3

      Perhaps adding past high CO2 levels.
      Admittedly not by direct measurements on the side of a volcano but generally accepted by (real) scientists.
      i.e. Carboniferous CO2 4,000 ppm rising to 7,000 ppm Temperature about 25℃ Result: abundant life.
      End Ordivician CO2 about 3,000 ppm Temperature about 10℃ Result: severe Ice Age and mass extinction.
      Carboniferous CO2 starting around 1200 ppm & Temperature about 20℃ Massive plant growth using up CO2 down to around 360 ppm Result: Temperature dropping to 10℃ and an Ice Age
      Triassic, Jurassic & Cretaceous (age of Dinosaurs) temperature mostly around 25℃ and CO2 above 1,000 ppm except The end of the Jurassic when CO2 rose to about 2,700 ppm and the Temperature dropped to about 17℃ (no ice age).
      It has been noticed (outside Climate “Science”) that the Earth has a big drop in temperature roughly every 130-150 million years, followed after by a recovery to about 25℃. (The Jurassic ended around 150 million years ago).

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    Ronin

    Liddell @ 08:35 233Mw.

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