Guest sarcasm by David Middleton
From the It Must Be Climate Change Files of the The Los Angeles Times via Real Clear Energy (WTF does this have to do with energy?):
Climate change is helping crank up the temperatures of California’s heat waves
By BETTINA BOXALL
AUG 17, 2018California suffered through its hottest July on record, while August has pushed sea-surface temperatures off the San Diego coast to all-time highs.
Are these punishing summer heat waves the consequences of global warming or the result of familiar weather patterns?
The answer, scientists say, is both.
Climate change is amplifying natural variations in the weather. So when California roasts under a stubborn high-pressure system, the thermometer climbs higher than it would in the past.
[…]
Art Miller, a research oceanographer at Scripps Institution of Oceanography, pointed to the high-pressure system as the immediate cause of the record-shattering sea surface temperatures recorded this month off Scripps Pier, where researchers have been taking daily temperature measurements since 1916.
On Aug. 1, a thermometer plunged into a bucket of sea water hit 78.6 degrees, breaking a 1931 record. On Aug. 9, the water temperature was 79.5 degrees.
[…]
Some climate scientists have suggested that global warming is promoting atmospheric changes that favor the formation of the kind of persistent high-pressure system that has driven up temperatures this summer.
But Williams said climate change models have yet to confirm that. Researchers have also failed to detect a global trend of more prolonged ridging patterns, he added.
“I personally don’t think the current ridge is a function of climate change,” [Park] Williams [an associate research professor at Columbia University’s Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory] said. “The atmosphere has a mind of its own.”
[…]
“There is little indication El Niño will be more than weak or modest,” said Nick Bond, a research scientist with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the University of Washington.
El Niño can deliver a wet winter to Southern California, but Bond said this year’s would probably be too meek to do that.
The climate center’s three-month forecast predicts above-average temperatures for most of the country, including California. The Southland has gotten a break from blistering temperatures this week, but a high-pressure ridge is expected to return.
“It looks like August is going to be a hot month,” Bond said.
“California suffered through its hottest July on record…”
The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration announced Wednesday that July was California’s hottest month ever observed. The state’s average temperature of 79.7 degrees edged past the previous record of 79.5 degrees in July 1931 and was five degrees warmer than normal.
- 79.7 °F = 26.5 °C
- 79.5 °F = 26.4 °C
0.1 °C??? That’s like 5.9 degrees less than Kevin Bacon. That’s like 0.1 degrees more than Dean Vernon Wormer’s most memorable line from Animal House…
There you have it… Climate change has cranked up the temperatures of California’s heat waves by 0.1 °C and “it looks like August is going to be a hot month.”
And, it’s all due to this:
Well… at least half of it since 1950 is due to the above. The rest of the insignificant warming must be due to natural variability.
I was born in Connecticut and lived there from 1958-1980. My Dad’s family was from Florida and I spent a couple of summers there. Since 1981, I’ve lived in Texas. As far as I can recall, August has almost always been a hot month… quite often the hottest month of the year… in the Northern Hemisphere.
I’m a big fan of the whole “Real Clear” compendium. I routinely read Real Clear Politics, Energy and Science… But, there are days when many, if not most, of the Real Clear Energy headlines have jack schist to do with energy:
Monday, August 20
Reports of the Death of Oil’s ICE Are Greatly Exaggerated Jude Clemente, Forbes
NAFTA to Bolster US-Mexican Natural Gas Trade Jude Clemente, Forbes
Trump: Conserving Oil Not Economic Imperative Staff, MPR News
Saudi Arabia’s Oil Figures Drawing Scrutiny David Sheppard, Financial Times
Trade Fears Throw US Natural Gas Into Question S. Yang & T. Puko, WSJ
Environmentalists Sue Federal Government to Protect Orcas Asia Fields, ST
What Is Saudi Arabia’s Interest in Tesla? Ben Geman, Axios
Hurricane Harvey Impact on Health, Environment Still a Concern Jeff Mosier, DN
Trees Migrating West to Escape Climate Change Marlene Cimons, Popular Science
World Is Finally Waking Up to Climate Change Jonathan Watts, The Guardian
Economic Forecasts Have Climate Change Blind Spot Lydia DePillis, CNN Money
Climate Change Crank Up Temps of CA Heat Waves Bettina Boxall, Los Angeles Times
Red headlines have nothing to do with energy… and at least half the energy-relevant headlines are more related to politics than to energy. Now… I’m not complaining. I find plenty of skewer-worthy Gorebal Warming articles on Real Clear Energy… It’s just “funny” that most of the Gorebal Warming articles are on Real Clear Energy and not on Real Clear Science.
Note: The thread title was intentionally sarcastic. Comments like this: “The article does not say that climate change causes August to be hot”… will be ignored or ridiculed, depending on how much spare time I have.
Not in Oklahoma. Cool and wet. But, of course, it’s just weather. Even though the weather is cool and wet, the climate is hot and dry, or whatever the climatologists say it is.
For some reason, I remember a whole bunch of alarmists getting their panties in a wad when we were making jokes about how cold this past winter and spring were.
Something about weather not being climate.
Yet climate is the average of weather…….
Like all averages, completely made up.
Not in the Denver area either. The weather at about 10 AM on this 20 August is exhibiting a temperature struggling to reach 60F. I think I’ll make an adjustment to the climate and bring my thermometer inside, where it’s closer to a perfect 72F.
Cool in Wyoming and tons of smoke. I like the cool, but the smoke makes it very unpleasant outside.
Ditto.
Same situation in Washington State. Forecast:
Today: Widespread smoke. Mostly sunny, with a high near 81.
Air quality forecast has smoke particulate at ~ 100 micrograms/m^3
How can you even see 100? In Ulaanbaatar it routinely reaches 1500 and used to hit 4300+ a couple of times a year. We measured 11,300 inside a house in Naryn, Kyrgyzstan last winter.
Up here in Coal Creek Canyon, a bit west of Denver and 4000 feet higher, the deck was good and icy this morning as the evening dew froze overnight.
Even at 9000 feet elevation, that’s not normal.
Currently 84F/29C in the shade with a gentle breeze on my SE Oklahoma front porch. Roughly the same as their “record-shattering” temperature. Compared to what a summer day here is usually like, it’s downright balmy out. Are coastal Cali people made of wax or what?
Are you comparing a temp reading to a monthly average?
Geeze, I sure hope so. Does that trigger you?
How’s this for Peak Human Stupid:
https://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2018/08/20/stevie-wonder-blames-global-warming-for-aretha-franklins-cancer/
Stevie Wonder blames the spread of cancer on “people who don’t believe in global warming.”
You can NOT make this stuff up.
Goldrider, I just read that on breitbart.com and pósted it elsewhere. Looks like Stevie Wonder might need a new pair of glasses.
Dems need to run with this all the way to November.
Don’t forget baby powder and Roundup as contributing factors along with power lines.
Stevie Wonder’s net worth is $110 million.
It’s always sick to hear some rich person talking about what everybody can do about selfishness and world problems etc.
Why doesn’t he give away 50 million to help? Can he not get by on $60 million?
Give away what you don’t need as an old man, or shut up.
I once met a couple who were giving some 90% of their income to charity. They still had plenty to live on, they were still keeping more than I make in a year, but strangely enough, they did NOT try to tell others how to live their lives. His initial statement was, “We give >90% of our income to charities each year. Now that may not work for you, it doesn’t have to, but that’s what we like to do.”
Same in Ohio
Get ready for high grain yields in the middle part of the country from rains, moderate temps., and some clearing skies.
Fails to note that 75% of nation east of rockies has had cool Augusts in the means the last 6 years, this one now included. California and the northeast are the shiny penny for climate ambulance chasers that ignore the last 30 days which has seen summer break in much of the nation rockies east. BTW by Labor day they will be shifting their hysteria back to the Ohio valley Lakes, and east where big warmth returns while the west gets much cooler. Typical, run to the heat, but ignore the cool
Joe – you don’t see the shift to the east since 2011 in the short waves?
Being just as hot in 1931 says something I would think. That was 87 years ago.
Looking at current global temps (as best as we can tell with all the homogenizing going on), Southern California and waters just offshore seem to be a big winner in the temperature game. Maybe a higher power is just playing with them.
In other news, not a peep yet on how CAGW is causing historic hurricanes this year. I guess all the CAGW was used up last year.
If CO2 levels are causing the record temps then logically CO2 levels must have been the same or similar to present levels in 1931. NOT!!
Then logically factors other than CO2 are responsible for record temperatures!
That’s what adjustment and homogenization are for! Tweak the data to fit the story. That’s how it’s done in the 21st century. With a touch from the magic wand of adjustment, the 1930’s just got half a degree cooler. Isn’t science wonderful!!!!
err no.
“Being just as hot in 1931 says something I would think. That was 87 years ago.”
err no. Like a lot of people you seem to think that AGW implies that warming will be uniform across the globe and monotonic across time.
Not.
That wasn’t the story 15 years ago, Steven.
That’s where the heat went. California sucked it all up and didn’t leave any for us in the Midwest. It’s almost cold here.
Yep
That’s very close to the truth. In the summertime it is normal for a high-pressure system to set up shop over the United States. That’s one of the first things I look for as summer approaches because odds are the high-pressure is going to set up over my head here in Oklahoma/Central U.S.
Sometimes “persistent high pressure hovers over the western third of the nation, as it did this year, and sometimes over the central U.S. and sometimes over the Eastern U.S. So whereever it sets up, the weather is very hot underneath it and mild in other areas of the U.S, like it is this year.
So the high-pressure sets up over California and sits there long enough to get them to record high temperatures and the rest of the country has fairly mild weather for August at the same time.
And notice that the hot weather in Calfornia has for the most part moved on as the high-pressure moved on after a few weeks hanging around. As one wag put it earlier, “They ran out of CAGW in California”, and it has cooled off.
California should consider itself lucky. We get high-pressure systems around the middle of the U.S. that can last for months at a time. A couple of weeks is a walk in the park.
Tom – learn about global circulations and dynamic meteorology. It’s a technical science. Learn why the highs do what they do.
Yes, it is. And raining where I am, with more to come. Looks like a chilly night, tonight, also.
In Pennsylvanian near Allentown the temperature never got over 73 F today. Its the middle of August— for crying out loud..
Comments like this: “The article does not say that climate change causes August to be hot”… will be ignored or ridiculed, depending on how much spare time I have.
Bettina Boxall, Los Angeles Times
What about comments like, “So who’s going to ridicule me, David Middleton or Bettina Boxall, Los Angeles Times???”
🙂
I doubt Bettina Boxall has much capacity for ridicule… 😉
Well you fixed it, hence, you may have your revenge…well played, sir…well played.
It’s been chilly and wet this August in Colorado Springs (after a hot June and July). They just announced on TV that Denver tied a new low-temperature record for this date this morning.
This is kind of OT, but not everyone likes cool weather. I am 71 years old, and live on heat. During hot weather, I feel so much better, and my weight decreases in the summer and goes up in the winter. I feel fine when it’s in the 90s — even 100 degrees is OK. But the cold absolutely destroys me. Even the 50s are bad. Part of this is probably because I’m on the skinny side and my skin has a lot of surface area (which emits body heat) per body mass (I’m skinny because I’m so active). I hope I’ll survive this winter. If the warming is real, BRING IT ON.
How can a tied record also be a new record?
Sorry — I didn’t have enough coffee this morning yet.
NP, I have a weird sense of humor.
In Wyoming in 2015, there was a freeze around the 20th of August. It went on to be warm through most of the month of October, before any more freezing temperatures occurred. Highs and lows are just that, as are records.
(While I am somewhat younger than you, I love cold and hate heat. I will never be retiring to Florida or the likes, most likely the north of Alaska if I were to move from Wyoming! I do hope you survive the winter. Toss another log on the fire and bundle up!!)
Horses for courses……. hate the heat and the very cold but love cool!
@ littlepeaks,
Your problem is the amount of money you have. The climate refugees from NY, NJ ,Penna … when they have enough money their solution is to move to Florida. Florida caters to folks such as yourself. Much like the American-Asians that live in the Springs migrate to Hawaii during the winter or others who find Arizona much more pleasant.
How can you tell winter is coming? The Winnebago’s are heading south.
littlepeaks – one or two degrees of warming across the planet won’t help you. But the increased energy brings down the cold air from the north.
Hmmm, what happened to the ENSO meter on this page ?
Looks like it’s headed towards El Nino to me, are you having trouble seeing it in your browser?
But I want a La Nina! How can we make the meter go the other way? 🙂
Very simple: take a small ball-peen hammer to the location on your screen where the meter is, smack it, and reach in and turn the needle counter-clock a few notches … … …
The ball-peen hammer ranks right up there with duct tape and bungee cords in the category of “universal tools”… 😉
Okay Vlad I whack it with my ball peen(carpenters hammer not work?)
But I can’t see the dial now, much less the needle? what now?
Also forgive spelling as I also can’t see anything on the screen
michael
My guess is that if you corrected for UHI, poor station placement, and station drop-out (wherein cooler, rural stations are the ones dropping out because they are less convenient), there would actually be a drop in temperature since the ’31 temperature reading.
And one should add in “corrections” to the record.
My guess is that your guess is correct. But there has to be a will to find records of a certain type, and their will is currently to do the opposite of what you suggest.
Not to worry, Nick Stokes will be along shortly to tell you how wrong you are.
not really. If you use rural only stations you get the same answer.
There was an LIA
it is getting warmer.
I wish a comprehensive study would be done that separates out the surface temperature record of large cities from the surface record in smaller communities and rural areas. Would be very interested to see if there is any evidence of Urban Heat Island (UHI) effect in the temp record of large urban areas that cannot be seen in the smaller communities and rural areas. Is the surface temp record being adjusted down for UHI? Do the adjusters know how much to adjust it down for UHI? Inquiring minds want to know.
There is, I would guess, little doubt that larger urban areas in the U.S. (and probably the world) have seen considerable growth in their population and economies that could and perhaps did contribute to the rise in recorded temperatures via UHI — especially in the more popular sunbelt states like Florida, Texas, Arizona, Nevada (Las Vegas has had very rapid population growth in recent decades) and California. And then there is the citing issues like placing a temperature station by an A/C unit or near the wall of a building where the sun is beating off the wall all day.
The UAH global satellite record showed a global temp increase last month, but it was nothing out of the ordinary from what I could tell. And it was not a record high in the record’s near 40-year history. When the mass media talks about what temperatures are doing, they never mention whether they are referring to the global satellite record, the surface record or a composite of both. Would appreciate clarification on that.
The media’s misrepresentation of the climate change issue is reaching what one could perhaps call criminal. But then misrepresentation is common practice for them across the board, so why would the climate be any different?
Part of the various UHI investigations (and the many hundred attempts at refuting them, ridiculing them, and trivializing by the CAGW machine) is the fact that the very worst (highest) UHI “islands” have been heating up hotter than their surrounding country (assumed more accurate) thermometers, but that those heat “islands” has been affected by the buildings and re-reflected heat since before thermometers existed! Worse, thoser “heat islands” are more like “heat continents” between ever-smaller channels of low-growth and perfect rural settings.
London, Philadelphia, Paris, Edinburgh, … Those thermometers in those places have been getting locally warmer since the early 1700’s.
What is often disguised by the dates and assumed “rural” locations is the local “50 meter” and local 5 kilometer growth ring around the stations. “Rural stations” even in the 1920’s were locally affected by UHI.
You can use any definition of rural you like.
My favorite is no people or urban surface within 10km of the site.
If you get rid of all the urban sites and sub urban and rural sites and only look at those
sites with no population and no artifical surface within 10km……
Guess what?
These sites warm as much as other sites.
The USA has 114 so called pristine sites with three thermometers in each and they tell a different story but they never like using them in the media.
‘surface record in smaller communities and rural areas.’ You are assuming the weather station is not sitting next to a barbie Q grill or Air Conditioner compressor.
I don’t believe the hottest July in California claim. I suspect over-homogenization canceling out the cooling I’ve observed along the spine of the Sierra’s. I was in the mountains over the weekend and there are still significant snow fields in many places where the snow is usually burned out by mid to late July. I expect to see the snow last longer after big snow seasons, but last winter’ snow was only about 90% of average.
I don’t believe it either. I wonder if the LA times is still using the temperature records from sites that have been disqualified?
They often will print sensationalized news, only to know they will have to place an ERRATA column on the lower corner of page 4 correcting their previous misstatements.
I’ve yet to hear of any retractions to the previously disqualified record temperatures.
From USCRN (see my comment further down) it looks like regional warmth in southern CA , not statewide.
Californians don’t have time to read the details. They just read headlines, which explains the headline-oriented media or what’s left of it.
And, why the errata retractions are buried days or weeks later somewhere along with the advertisements.
Is that 1931 record before or after adjustment?
RCE used to be a very informative site. The need to change the name to “Real Clear Cargo Cult Science”. Every silly “climate change ” correlation is linked. Today it’s “trees are moving west”.
Today it’s “trees are moving west”
That’s where about 80 of my trees went.
They moved from Illinois to Colorado to be made into fine furniture.
The reality is AGW (that not it ever existed) is over. This is the transitional year and one can see that by looking at the trend of the overall sea surface temperatures over the past year. I had forecasted a down turn over a year ago due to very low UV light.
On another note the geological activity (earthquakes 4.0 or higher ) has increase over 20% during the last week and I have longed believed and still do there is a connection between high galactic cosmic ray counts and an increase in geological activity, as well as global cloud coverage.
In the meantime the geo magnetic field is weakening in concert with a weakening solar magnetic field which spells cooling. How much cooling is hard to predict because I do not know the duration and ultimate degree of magnitude changes of both the solar/geo magnetic fields. In addition I do not know what the threshold levels of change are for these fields which would result in a major climatic impact as opposed to a smaller one. Perhaps we will find out moving forward from here over the next few years.
In any event I think at the very least things are in play to cause a climatic shift similar to 1977 very likely ,but this time to cooler as opposed to warmer back then. In addition something more then a climatic shift is possible if the solar/geo magnetic fields weaken enough both in degree of magnitude change and or duration of time.
It is amazing that the warmists cannot look back just 90 years and accept what really happened in the 1930s, e.g., more heat waves, “record” temperatures, probably less sea ice in the Arctic.
Pondering the CAGW issue these past forty years I keep asking why? Why manipulate data, scream hyperbole, misuse computer models, viciously attack anyone daring to question AGW orthodoxy and generally demand that the world changes the most successful economic system in world history? The only possible conclusion I keep coming up with is political power. Sadly, most of the high priest of the orthodoxy don’t understand they are being used. Consider China’s response to all of this. No, I am not saying China is behind the entire game but I am certain they are having a good laugh watching the Western Democracies.
Most alarmist are only a fraction of that age and have a proven lack of critical thinking ability.
Why are you amazed?
The why couldn’t be more clear. It’s the fact that politics choose sides and that political ‘truth’ doesn’t require facts. Hyperbole, spinning, manipulating the masses with disinformation and demonizing the other side is how politics supports positions that can’t stand on their own merits. The alarmists, who overwhelming lean left, are simply doing what they always do to support their politics.
There are seven USCRN stations in CA.
The range of the July 2018 station average is 17°C (Bodega) to 48°C (Stovepipe Wells).
Three stations set a record for July (in their 10-15 year history) : Fallbrook, Santa Barbara, Stovepipe Wells, all in southern CA. All others were below their July max, so really a regional warming, not statewide.
Redding did not report a value for July, I wonder if the station was lost in the Carr fire.
Mea culpa – was looking at the wrong column in the datasets (max instead of mean).
Range of the July 2018 station average is 14.1°C (Bodega) to 41.5°C (Stovepipe Wells).
Four stations set a record for July, Yosemite in addition to Fallbrook, Santa Barbara, Stovepipe Wells.
Looks like the records may have been from the minimum increasing, not the maximum.
Psst its getting warmer.
there was an LIA.
Getting warmer relative to the coldest phase of the Holocene is a “good thing.”
Ah so that explains it, CO2 doesn’t simply warm the atmosphere, it cranks it up to 11.
Made me think of a classic live album…
“Can we have everything louder than everything else?”
Ian Gillan, Deep Purple, Made in Japan, 1972
http://www.headofmetal.com/2015/10/20/album-review-deep-purple-made-in-japan-1972/
The bastards blocked that in NZ.
They block Deep Purple in NZ? How uncivilized! /Sarc
In July, 1964 when I was in graduate school I once measured a temperature of 51 degrees C in a small very shallow pond on the central Texas coast. Thermometers with mercury went much higher back then.
I suppose I should explain. Texas has very peculiar seasonal sea levels. In summer levels are lower than spring so mostly small, rarely up to almost a mile across, water bodies next to bays dry up, having been flooded with near oceanic or higher salinities in spring. There are still remains of structures on the central to lower coast where salt was mined.
There was a small hotter area with a floating somewhat transparent crust of some kind of surface salt. Adjacent, without the crust it was 39-42 C. Salinity measured with a refractometer was 134-243 parts per thousand, with pink bacteria growing on the bottom of the pond. Different salts precipitate at certain salinities, not much ambulatory life at those salinities. In the summer of 1970 we visited a much larger area almost completely dried up, salt several centimeters thick, dead fish and crabs in large rings around the center showing when their upper salinity tolerance was reached, crab outer ring, died first . This sort of thing was common during the 1950s drought, no doubt earlier, rarely studied or reported. Another factor was dark sediment from heavy minerals and reduced materials which are black. We had a summer baseball league around 1950, game was stopped abruptly at noon, already stifling.
That was a greenhouse effect! The Texas coast climate has not been kind to salt miners since
Los Angeles is on the edge of the Mojave Desert and the Mojave Desert gets hot in summer. How do you think Death Valley earned its name?
Highs here on Wednesday in the upper 60s, about 20F below normal
Ehh, give it six months and they’ll be claiming climate change causes severe cold spells.
Yes, and it’s coming
I focused on select words and phrases in the quoted passages, and here’s the gist:
“suffered through”
“all-time-high”
“punishing”
“roasts”
.. and my favorite …
“record shattering” (referring to the difference between 78.6 and 79.5 degrees = 0.9 degrees!)
Less than a ONE degree increase is … (let’s scream it in bold) … R-E-C-O-R-D … S-H-A-T-T-E-R-I-N-G !!! (If I could get an echoing reverb sound effect on that, then I would include it also, in addition to the all-caps, bold, and hyphens).
record shattering … ing … ing … ing
… drama queens.
a thermometer plunged into a bucket of sea water
Yeah, good catch, I missed that one. So dramatic !
Do real scientists “place” a thermometer or “plunge” a thermometer into a bucket of sea water ? Is “plunge” a more .. “robust” … way of saying it?
Officially it is “placed”: https://scripps.ucsd.edu/programs/shorestations/methods/
Interesting to note three different thermometer types in the series history.
If they plunge it too hard, they might break it.
I guess it’s just one of those things. Temperatures either soar, or plummet. Thermometers, like necklines, only plunge.
I can’t remember what hemlines do.
It gives a smidgeon extra heat from kinetic energy release and air/water friction. 😉
Robert,
You may be able to turn your select words and phrases in the quoted passages into a hip hop or rap song. They could be the chorus and other buzzwords compose the lyrics which doesn’t have to make any sense. Just use them over and over and over again. Just wipe your brow and grab your crotch and wave your arms. No real music needed. It would be hottest release ever. It would be record shattering … ing … ing … ing … ing … ing if you get the feedback effect right!
It appears that these journalists are blissfully unaware of meteorology, and how normal it is to experience what they are experiencing, given their location and the present global pressure patterns and SSTs.
Joe Bastardi has been blowing this BS out of the water recently by showing years from past decades with very similar patterns.
Oh, I forgot… “Scripps Institute” is supposed to invoke infallibility in my mind.
What self-respecting PhD would listen to a BS comedian like Joe, even when he is right?
Well one thing is for sure, there has been no record warming in the high Arctic this summer.
Which has been rather overlooked by the warmists with their claims of record high summer temps.
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From the It Must Be Climate Change Files of the The Los Angeles Times via Real Clear Energy (WTF does this have to do with energy?):
Maybe “don’t forget to remember me”, your good ol’ climate change alarm.
“That’s like 5.9 degrees less than Kevin Bacon.” I’m going to repeat that, giving David credit. I love it!!
I think Josh should do a cartoon on the trees migrating west. I can see thousands of trees pulling their roots out of the ground and start walking west!
“On Aug. 1, a thermometer plunged into a bucket of sea water hit 78.6 degrees, breaking a 1931 record. On Aug. 9, the water temperature was 79.5 degrees.”
How many little kids were swimming in that area? The kiddy pool where I live approaches 98.6 F frequently.
Maybe they’ve had the bucket covered up and standing in the sun in (what is now) the parking lot since 1931…..
Most of the world didn’t have its hottest July because of climate change.
“The answer, scientists say, is both.”
sarcasm of course is just another way to avoid the science.
There was an LIA
It is getting warmer
In a warming world more records will be set ( kinda trivial fact)
Man has contributed to that warming
By emitting c02 we will continue to warm the planet.
Warming the planet is not without risk
Probably a good idea to find economically viable ways to abate that risk
The article avoided the science… That’s why it was such an easy target for sarcasm.
Yep… Sort of like an interglacial stadial. They have happened every 1,000 years or so throughout the Holocene.
It’s been getting warmer since the coldest part of the LIA, ~500 years. The LIA was bad.
Records get set in random walks… There’s even an equation for this.
So has Mann.
By about 1 C per doubling… BFD.
Every time I start my Jeep up to drive somewhere, I run a risk assessment. I still drive because the benefits of getting to where I’m going outweigh the risks… By like eleventy gazillion to 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000001. 99.999999999999999999999999% of that risk is in the area of traffic accidents. CO2 emissions are a small fraction of the remaining 0.000000000000000000000000001% (the number of zeroes is probably wrong).
The first step in finding *economically viable ways* to abate (or mitigate) the risk, is to properly analyze the potential costs of both the risk and the mitigation. And a proper analysis requires that a realistic discount rate be used when assessing any potential economic benefits of mitigation.
Oops…
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/03/15/discounting-away-the-social-cost-of-carbon-the-fast-lane-to-undoing-obamas-climate-regulations/
We’d be better of socking the $40 trillion away in 30-yr Treasuries; so we can pay for whatever the weather is doing in 2100.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/10/24/gao-report-cost-of-climate-change-damage-far-less-than-cost-of-decarbonization/
OT
What kind of Jeep do you have Dave?
2013 Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon
I have a 2014….a hardy Jeep wave to you
I’m restoring an ’83 CJ-7 body and frame, with an early ’70’s 304 and drive train from a CJ-5. (Punched out with torque cam, Edelbrock 4bbl, and headers.) It was built from junkyard components by a hillbilly in southern MO to run riverbed races.
A *real* Jeep… 😎
We have a big camp-and-play park in Otterville, IL called “Hillbilly Ranch” where you see restored and modified military Jeeps that are what the locals call “real Jeeps”.
“Man has contributed to that warming
So has Mann.”
That was funny! 🙂
1C per doubling?
you seem pretty certain of your science.
I doubt you can make that argument convincingly enough.
but go ahead, write it up put it on an open archive and let folks review your work
or stick with sarcasm, there is a nobel for that right?
Obama got a Nobel peace prize for not being George W. Bush… a Nobel prize for sarcasm.
1 C of warming per doubling is about what you get without feedbacks… it’s fairly common knowledge.
David,
Noble you didn’t mention their ‘unprecedented reverberating tipping points’
‘never happened but wait and see!’
It’s the same shtick as Malthus… ‘never happened but wait and see!’
Steven Mosher
1C per doubling?
you seem pretty certain of your science.
I doubt you can make that argument convincingly enough.
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Mosher,
Would you please show the history of your
convincingly arguments.
Sarcasm, I beg to differ, is the only way to endure the pseudoscience.
Mosh Pit,
The viable approach hasn’t changed since our progenitors were drawing on cave walls – live with it. Adapt or die.
Cmon ppl. 10th is warm. 0 is an insignificant number so it is #1 warmest.
“August currently 10th warmest in “pause” era. Notice the fierce red over antarctic contributing to tipping the temp to warm ( .244C above) north of 60 south tho, globally looks to be a wash, cold and warm balancing each other,”Bastardi wrote on Twitter.
August is going to be hot? Uh-oh! The heat death of the universe can’t be far behind.
Well, in 1969, Neil Diamond wrote about a ‘hot August night’. Was there still a cooling scare then… or hadn’t they thought that one up yet?
Just ten years later…
https://www.mrc.org/special-reports/fire-and-ice-0
While we’re sporting sarcasm here, what kind of rhyme is ‘fear’ and ‘river’ anyway? You can only invoke poetic license for that one.
Punk era in the UK then…lots of things didn’t make sense.
True. Flying in the face of “establishment” normality, I guess.
They reported that it was -1 C in Jasper AB the night before last. It’s only a little past the middle of August so there’s not much global warming there.
Soon it will be time to fly with the Canadian Snowbirds and spend the winter in Arizona. The only real climate fugitives hang out in the south US during the winters.
Yeah, it will be soon be cool enough to go there. You can just about feel fall in the air around here in the Edmonton area already.
Okay, I went to my records on weather, which I record because I sometimes find odd changes from what was recorded at the time by the weather service and what they now show. And to NO surprise on my part, the temperature was 80F on 8/9/2018, a prefectly NORMAL summer day in the Corn Belt.
What IS it that these people are looking for, anyway? 79F seems like a pleasant, sunny day on the Left Coast.
What did I miss?
Right now, on August 20, 2018, the temperature I’ve recorded at 3:52PM CDT is 74F, a bit below normal but we’re having a nice, slow, soaking rain that will keep my lawn nice and green, which is what I want.
So I repeat: what IS it that these people are looking for? Do they even have a clue?
“I went to my records on weather”
There should be alot of people out there that are constantly watching the weather. May I suggest looking at the plasma temperature being recorded by NOAA/NWS. At the time I am writing this, it is running about 1000 Kevins. It just started doing this around 15:00 GMT. All indicators in my yard shows it to be true.
You aint seen nothing yet.
Great dust bowl drought coming up
Like 1932-1939.
Google it.
Gotta love BTO…
https://youtu.be/99lyU5N–f8
These Catastrophic AGW agitators are Null Hypothesis deniers, plain and simple.
I would like to warn people to stay away from my latest 2 posts. You are NOT allowed to read them. They are:
1) Closed Mind
https://agree-to-disagree.com/closed-mind
2) AndThenTheresPhizzics
https://agree-to-disagree.com/andthentheresphizzics/
Meanwhile here in the Southern Hemisphere around Canberra its bl**dy cold with the best snowfalls in years in our Snowy Mountains. Maybe its just that variable thing called the weather. As well our resident idiot PM Turnbull is feeling the heat of a stupid National Energy Guarantee (NEG) policy which he has changed for about the 6th time in a week all in an attempt to survive himself. To heck with any form of sensible policy for the people he supposedly represents. He thinks he is the smartest man in the room (having read the book about Enron, the parallels are scary) but has the political nous of a jam jar. And our heating bills go though the roof and many pensioners cannot afford heating. If only we could charge our politicians with negligence causing death when its a result of stupid public policy.
“Climate change is amplifying natural variations in the weather.”
This is illogical. Climate is the sum of weather. A natural variation in the weather is not caused by the ‘climate’ it is the other way round. Amplifying natural variations in the weather might or might not be caused by anthropogenic carbon-dioxide. Either way, climate change is not causing any amplification any more that the total in a spreadsheet cell causes the numbers being summed to increase. Increasing the number in the total cell does not cause one of the numbers being added to increase.
The concept is stupid. Climate cannot cause a change in the weather.
But, but climate is the hand of God! When The Climate God is displeased with how many people are polluting Gaia with “carbon”, your local weather goes crazy, just to send you a message about your responsibility to sacrifice something to good ol’ Mamma Terra before she strikes you down or bakes yer ass. 😉
Send the heat my way. Here in Australia’s Kimberley temperatures are below average, with August nights at the Broome Airport recording a record low average of 10.5C.
This is almost 5C below average!
Only once before was August colder at the old Post Office site in 1896.
Is it possible to see the Fahrenheit measures used at that station in 1931? I am pretty sure that, at least here in Oz, temperatures were measured to the half degree F, and this would be visible in the daily records. If so, this would make x.07 F (now, using an electronic thermometer) and x.05 F (then) equivalent. In which case it may have been equally hot then as now – we can’t know.
Does anyone else have a problem with ‘scientists’ using ‘normal’ where they mean ‘average’? There are no ‘normal’ weather readings.
There is also the statement that “climate change models have yet to confirm that“.
How does a model confirm reality when they are a projection/prediction/WAG into the future. Real data confirms the model, not vice versa, although there seems to be a lot of data manipulation when it does not agree with a model.
Read this … science denial = climate scepticism: https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/20/opinions/populist-skeptics-science-opinion-intl/index.html
The warming since 1988 most closely matches Scenario C, in which humans essentially undiscovered fire in 1999.
>95% of the models predicted more warming since 1998.
The warming has been less than RCP4.5, a strong mitigation scenario, despite very little mitigation.