It is a question that has both fascinated and bored football fans in equal measure for years, but we may finally have an answer over just who is better between Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo .

It all depends on whether or not you agree with computer scientists from Belgium's KU Leuven university, who claim to have come up with the definitive formula to determine just which one of the old rivals is the better footballer.

As reported by Sporza in Belgium, professors at the university have teamed up with Dutch data specialists SciSports to come up with something called Valuing Actions by Estimating Probabilities (VAEP), which they say gives the answer to the eternal Messi-Ronaldo question.

The formula looks at the players' all-round games, and claims to take into account everything that they do on the pitch in both attacking and defensive roles.

"The value of a soccer player is often determined by goals and assists," said Jesse Davis , a professor at the university.

"A goal is a rare event, however, because an average of 1,600 actions are estimated to occur in a match. Our model looks at each action - shots, passes, dribbles, tackles - and calculates its value."

So, to the bit you're here for.

Data was analysed from the 2013/14 season up to the end of 2017/18 when Ronaldo left Real Madrid , and after feeding the results through their supercomputer - at least we presume it is pretty super - the researchers found that it is Messi who comes out on top.

And by quite a long way.

The Argentinean comes out with a VAEP score of 1.21 per game, which is much higher than Ronaldo's 0.61.

"In the first seasons, Messi and Ronaldo's scores are very close to each other," says PhD student Tom Decroos , who helped with the research.

"From the 2015/16 season, Messi has stepped away from his eternal rival."

Decroos went on to elaborate on how Messi differs from some of the modern greats when it comes to the formula.

"We see a trade-off with most football players: either they make a lot of actions with a less high value - that's the case with Paul Pogba, for example," he said.

"Or you have players who are less likely to hit the ball, but who have a big impact. That is typical of strikers like Harry Kane, Mohamed Salah and Ronaldo.

"Messi is exceptional in this area: the Argentinian has a very high number of actions and they also have a high value."

So there you go. Case closed.

That all depends on whether or not you like the answer.

Source:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/supercomputer-determines-who-better-between-18969139.amp

Pure bullshit!!! ....waytin concern supercomputer with footballers rating...
You people should stop been sentimental..

Messi is been feed with world class player in barcelona, cr7 is a lone warrior .

As he day play for him country waytin u see?

Make he leave barca weda he go still get mouth.

Talking about achievement? Cr7 has it more..so what else?

Messi is good, buh cr7 is better!!..

Messi is like a local government chairman while Ronaldo is like the president of the country. Ronaldo has proven himself in different leagues in different nations, while Messi is afraid to leave his comfort zone in Barcelona.

ftc ,you head is yet to be correct, why do you use calculator.ignorant being.

Natoski5:
Pure bullshit!!! ....waytin concern supercomputer with footballers rating...
You people should stop been sentimental..

Messi is been feed with world class player in barcelona, cr7 is a lone warrior .

Make he leave barca weda he go still get mouth

Messi is good, buh cr7 is better!!..

and ronaldo is moving to already made teams, if ronaldo wants to prove a point that he's greater than Lionel messi, he should have moved to CA Osasuna in LA liga instead of real Madrid, he should also moved to SS Lazio in serial a instead of juventus. Both juventis and real Madrid have been winning trophies before ronnaldo and are one of the biggest clubs in each of their respective leagues.
Messi has played under different coaches and teammates, his performance hasn't changed and he still leads, imagine messi going to PSG or Bayern Munich, are you telling me messi won't score or win trophies their? Lol ronaldo fans are dumb sha .
Every world class players, coaches and legends have all said messi is the greatest, no wonder messi is living rent free inside ronaldo head,you people are obsessed with a player that don't care about individual glories

thesicilian:
Messi is like a local government chairman while Ronaldo is like the president of the country. Ronaldo has proven himself in different leagues in different nations, while Messi is afraid to leave his comfort zone in Barcelona.

messi is like that loyal local government chairman that use all the resources available to him to build his constituency while ronaldo is like a president that loot his country money and deposit it in other countries

Those that say messi is the best player: "Guardiola, Mourihno, Klopp, Rio-Ferdinand, Ibrahaimovic, Mane, and so on


Those that say Ronaldo is the best player: "Bet9ja guys, barbers, bricklayer, carpenter!""

That supercomputer is obviously right

Igbosmoker:
and ronaldo is moving to already made teams, if ronaldo wants to prove a point that he's greater than Lionel messi, he should have moved to CA Osasuna in LA liga instead of real Madrid, he should also moved to SS Lazio in serial a instead of juventus. Both juventis and real Madrid have been winning trophies before ronnaldo and are one of the biggest clubs in each of their respective leagues.
Messi has played under different coaches and teammates, his performance hasn't changed and he still leads, imagine messi going to PSG or Bayern Munich, are you telling me messi won't score or win trophies their? Lol ronaldo fans are dumb sha .
Every world class players, coaches and legends have all said messi is the greatest, no wonder messi is living rent free inside ronaldo head,you people are obsessed with a player that don't care about individual glories

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Sorry mehn I dnt argue with kid...

Natoski5:
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Sorry mehn I dnt argue with kid...

and u think u av sense.

Hahahaha . Me laughing after reading the comments before my reply. This particular debate has no end because, fans of each player differ depending on viewpoint. But it is poignant to note that RONALDO has tested his mettle in different leagues/conditions and has come out tops. Ronaldo is good in the air, good with free kicks, uses both his right and left legs to devastating effect, is blessed with speed, can dribble past players, can provide that odd assist if the need arises. Infact, he built the start of his career on providing assist for teammates. I stand by my word that RONALDO is the most COMPLETE player in history........

obembet:
It is a question that has both fascinated and bored football fans in equal measure for years, but we may finally have an answer over just who is better between Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo .

It all depends on whether or not you agree with computer scientists from Belgium's KU Leuven university, who claim to have come up with the definitive formula to determine just which one of the old rivals is the better footballer.

As reported by Sporza in Belgium, professors at the university have teamed up with Dutch data specialists SciSports to come up with something called Valuing Actions by Estimating Probabilities (VAEP), which they say gives the answer to the eternal Messi-Ronaldo question.

The formula looks at the players' all-round games, and claims to take into account everything that they do on the pitch in both attacking and defensive roles.

"The value of a soccer player is often determined by goals and assists," said Jesse Davis , a professor at the university.

"A goal is a rare event, however, because an average of 1,600 actions are estimated to occur in a match. Our model looks at each action - shots, passes, dribbles, tackles - and calculates its value."

So, to the bit you're here for.

Data was analysed from the 2013/14 season up to the end of 2017/18 when Ronaldo left Real Madrid , and after feeding the results through their supercomputer - at least we presume it is pretty super - the researchers found that it is Messi who comes out on top.

And by quite a long way.

The Argentinean comes out with a VAEP score of 1.21 per game, which is much higher than Ronaldo's 0.61.

"In the first seasons, Messi and Ronaldo's scores are very close to each other," says PhD student Tom Decroos , who helped with the research.

"From the 2015/16 season, Messi has stepped away from his eternal rival."

Decroos went on to elaborate on how Messi differs from some of the modern greats when it comes to the formula.

"We see a trade-off with most football players: either they make a lot of actions with a less high value - that's the case with Paul Pogba, for example," he said.

"Or you have players who are less likely to hit the ball, but who have a big impact. That is typical of strikers like Harry Kane, Mohamed Salah and Ronaldo.

"Messi is exceptional in this area: the Argentinian has a very high number of actions and they also have a high value."

So there you go. Case closed.

That all depends on whether or not you like the answer.

Source:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/supercomputer-determines-who-better-between-18969139.amp

Cc Lalasticlala
MissyB3
Fynestboi
Dominique
mynd44

Hahahaha cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy. Me laughing after reading the comments before my reply. This particular debate has no end because, fans of each player differ depending on viewpoint. But it is poignant to note that RONALDO has tested his mettle in different leagues/conditions and has come out tops. Ronaldo is good in the air, good with free kicks, uses both his right and left legs to devastating effect, is blessed with speed, can dribble past players, can provide that odd assist if the need arises. Infact, he built the start of his career on providing assist for teammates. I stand by my word that RONALDO is the most COMPLETE player in history........

obembet:
It is a question that has both fascinated and bored football fans in equal measure for years, but we may finally have an answer over just who is better between Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo .

It all depends on whether or not you agree with computer scientists from Belgium's KU Leuven university, who claim to have come up with the definitive formula to determine just which one of the old rivals is the better footballer.

As reported by Sporza in Belgium, professors at the university have teamed up with Dutch data specialists SciSports to come up with something called Valuing Actions by Estimating Probabilities (VAEP), which they say gives the answer to the eternal Messi-Ronaldo question.

The formula looks at the players' all-round games, and claims to take into account everything that they do on the pitch in both attacking and defensive roles.

"The value of a soccer player is often determined by goals and assists," said Jesse Davis , a professor at the university.

"A goal is a rare event, however, because an average of 1,600 actions are estimated to occur in a match. Our model looks at each action - shots, passes, dribbles, tackles - and calculates its value."

So, to the bit you're here for.

Data was analysed from the 2013/14 season up to the end of 2017/18 when Ronaldo left Real Madrid , and after feeding the results through their supercomputer - at least we presume it is pretty super - the researchers found that it is Messi who comes out on top.

And by quite a long way.

The Argentinean comes out with a VAEP score of 1.21 per game, which is much higher than Ronaldo's 0.61.

"In the first seasons, Messi and Ronaldo's scores are very close to each other," says PhD student Tom Decroos , who helped with the research.

"From the 2015/16 season, Messi has stepped away from his eternal rival."

Decroos went on to elaborate on how Messi differs from some of the modern greats when it comes to the formula.

"We see a trade-off with most football players: either they make a lot of actions with a less high value - that's the case with Paul Pogba, for example," he said.

"Or you have players who are less likely to hit the ball, but who have a big impact. That is typical of strikers like Harry Kane, Mohamed Salah and Ronaldo.

"Messi is exceptional in this area: the Argentinian has a very high number of actions and they also have a high value."

So there you go. Case closed.

That all depends on whether or not you like the answer.

Source:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/supercomputer-determines-who-better-between-18969139.amp

Cc Lalasticlala
MissyB3
Fynestboi
Dominique
mynd44

Hahahaha.... Me laughing after reading the comments before my reply. This particular debate has no end because, fans of each player differ depending on viewpoint. But it is poignant to note that RONALDO has tested his mettle in different leagues/conditions and has come out tops. Ronaldo is good in the air, good with free kicks, uses both his right and left legs to devastating effect, is blessed with speed, can dribble past players, can provide that odd assist if the need arises. Infact, he built the start of his career on providing assist for teammates. I stand by my word that RONALDO is the most COMPLETE player in history........

Abeg let's settle this once and for all.

We can't allow computer to be dictating for us.


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Its C.Ronaldo or I won't watch football again

Super computer is biased and judgmental. Humans created super computers and are wiser!! There is no comparison between Cr7 and Messi..

Comparison should start when Messi leaves Barca! But wait, why compare both of them? They are geniuses in different ways!

Messi oo , C.Ronaldo oo, they are both super megastars.
The comparison is not worthwhile. Let's continue enjoying entertainment from them while they shine.

I have good deal on Barça and Juve jerseys.

I think so too. Ronaldo himself is very insecure and feels so much need to compare himself with the GOAT many a time

The supercomputer must have a bug

If you need a super computer to tell you that Messi is better than Ronaldo, then your head needs to be checked.

The computer probably think they mearnt Ronaldo d'alima. They should go for specifics.

A real king doesn't control one jungle. Show me a great player that played only in one league. You can mention skills, dribbles and scoring abilities, but don't let all these be synonymous to a particular environment.
Using every parts of the body in goal scoring is also a factor to considered.
Right legs
Left legs
Head.

Super computer?


Everyone with brain knows that....


only Ronaldo himself and his fan are so obsessed with Messi, always finding the slightest means to compare and make people believe he is the best.

Sadly, Messi does not have the time

Whether Ronaldo better or not dem go still compare am with Messi

Igbosmoker:
and ronaldo is moving to already made teams, if ronaldo wants to prove a point that he's greater than Lionel messi, he should have moved to CA Osasuna in LA liga instead of real Madrid, he should also moved to SS Lazio in serial a instead of juventus. Both juventis and real Madrid have been winning trophies before ronnaldo and are one of the biggest clubs in each of their respective leagues.
Messi has played under different coaches and teammates, his performance hasn't changed and he still leads, imagine messi going to PSG or Bayern Munich, are you telling me messi won't score or win trophies their? Lol ronaldo fans are dumb sha .
Every world class players, coaches and legends have all said messi is the greatest, no wonder messi is living rent free inside ronaldo head,you people are obsessed with a player that don't care about individual glories

can any of those small teams you mentioned afford CR7's service?? but we have all these oil rich club cc running after Messi and he keeps refusing them all in the name of been loyal to Barcelona

All these stvpid epistle just to end up making no sense.

Ronaldo will always be the best period.

If you are pained, go and hit your head on the wall.

The two GOAT