Ever wondered why the One's vibrate motor is comparatively weak, yet also loud?

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vantt1

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It is so weak because it uses such a small vibrate motor. The counterweight's mass isn't enough to make for an adequate vibration, especially given the One's large size. Here it is next to the iPhone 4's vibrate motor:

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And next to the iPhone 5's motor:
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For size reference, the OnePlus One vs. iPhone 4:

WOe0V5r.jpg

Source: Phone Arena Size Comparison Tool

If the OPO's motor counterweight is approximately 25% shorter in diameter than the iPhone 4's motor, then it could be as much as 40% lighter than the iPhone's (because π r² and stuff), assuming their lengths and mass densities are about the same .

The motor is mounted on a flex cable, then the flex is adhered to the chassis. It is not mounted directly on the chassis, unlike other phones. The vibration caused by the motor could possibly be dampened by the adhesive tape between the flex and the chassis, or cause it to come loose over time.

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iPhone 4 - mounted directly on the chassis:
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iPhone 4S - mounted on the chassis:
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iPhone 5/S - mounted on the chassis:
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LG Nexus 5 - mounted on the battery cover:
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HTC One X - mounted on the chassis:
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Galaxy S3, S4 and S5...you get the idea:

ILbuQ4W.jpg

Hq1i7X9.jpg

f0E2gIk.jpg


And as you can see, the motor is inside the right speaker's cavity, so the sound generated by the motor might be amplified.

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Its vibration may also sound "rattly" in comparison with Samsung phones' vibration, because Samsung (as well as LG, Sony and Apple's iPhone 4S and 6/Plus) uses linear oscillation motors as opposed to the electric motor with counterweight type. The former have a better "vibration-to-noise" ratio than the latter. They run on AC as opposed to DC, so they can reach peak vibration almost instantly, requiring no spin-up and spin-down time. This is especially noticeable in the keyboard's haptic feedback, where the vibration only lasts a few fractions of a second at a time. The amplitude of a linear vibration can also be changed without affecting the frequency, so it is also much more precise.

Vibrate motors from left to right: Samsung Galaxy S3, iPhone 4S, Sony Xperia Z, iPhone 5 (very similar size to the iPhone 4's), HTC One X, iPhone 3GS

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More information about electric motor vibration motors: http://www.precisionmicrodrives.com...rm-characteristics-for-vibration-applications

More information about linear oscillation (or linear resonance) motors: http://www.precisionmicrodrives.com...resonant-actuator-lra-haptic-vibration-motors
 
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thanks very nice comparison :) + awesome insight into the inner oneplus vibrator

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soralz

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Last time I used a Note 2, well Samsung vibrators are really vibrating, OPO's vibration is too weak, better disable it.
 

vantt1

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Last time I used a Note 2, well Samsung vibrators are really vibrating, OPO's vibration is too weak, better disable it.
Ever since the Galaxy S2 I've only ever used Samsung droids (including the Note 2), so all of them had linear oscillation motors and worked very well. The OPO's is good enough for when you are already paying attention to the phone (typing, playing games etc.), but not good enough for silent notification.
 

vantt1

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You should hear the motor on the Nexus 6. Its god awful.
It looks like it sounds awful. It has not one, but two counterweights! But it's mounted directly to its giant logic board, then the logic board to the frame via many screws. The logic board probably vibrates at some point against the frame.

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The vibration strength should be pretty strong though, shouldn't it?
 

Borgschulze

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Sounds like you're looking for things to complain about.

I'm happy with the vibration level on my One.

What's the big deal with it not shaking your house to bits when it vibrates?

I'm glad it doesn't wake me up at night when someone texts me, I'm not one to set levels based on time, my job requires me to be up at random times, and I couldn't be hassled to change settings multiple times per day.
 

vantt1

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Sounds like you're looking for things to complain about.

I'm happy with the vibration level on my One.

What's the big deal with it not shaking your house to bits when it vibrates?

I'm glad it doesn't wake me up at night when someone texts me, I'm not one to set levels based on time, my job requires me to be up at random times, and I couldn't be hassled to change settings multiple times per day.
This is more of an explanation than a complaint. Besides, I don't use the OnePlus One for phone calls anymore, so I'm not complaining.

But you may be able to help these people.
 

Badd_blood

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You really know your vibrators...

But seriously, this is sorta disappointing considering I only use my phone on vibrate. Good thing I have a smart watch now.
 

shoman94

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I think it's useless other than when it's sitting on a hard surface. I can NEVER feel it vibrate.
 

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Formhault

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Can't we just replace the vibrating motor with one from another phone like, say, the Note 3? Or do something so it is LESS loud and MORE strong? :eek:
 

eksasol

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I still much prefer rotary motor than linear, I like that smooth feel and spin up time, linear module annoy me to no end.
 

Formhault

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I still much prefer rotary motor than linear, I like that smooth feel and spin up time, linear module annoy me to no end.

Why is that? The rotary motor just sucks - look at the OPO, you can hear it but not feel it. The linear is much better - you FEEL the vibration and almost don't hear it.

Typing on the OPO with haptic feedback enabled feels like the phone's broken or something... :(
 

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    It is so weak because it uses such a small vibrate motor. The counterweight's mass isn't enough to make for an adequate vibration, especially given the One's large size. Here it is next to the iPhone 4's vibrate motor:

    W2a6i1D.jpg


    And next to the iPhone 5's motor:
    jUroqt5.jpg


    For size reference, the OnePlus One vs. iPhone 4:

    WOe0V5r.jpg

    Source: Phone Arena Size Comparison Tool

    If the OPO's motor counterweight is approximately 25% shorter in diameter than the iPhone 4's motor, then it could be as much as 40% lighter than the iPhone's (because π r² and stuff), assuming their lengths and mass densities are about the same .

    The motor is mounted on a flex cable, then the flex is adhered to the chassis. It is not mounted directly on the chassis, unlike other phones. The vibration caused by the motor could possibly be dampened by the adhesive tape between the flex and the chassis, or cause it to come loose over time.

    XeTgqg2.jpg


    iPhone 4 - mounted directly on the chassis:
    UkaSVIo.jpg


    iPhone 4S - mounted on the chassis:
    IGNYXioaR3G1EceD.medium


    iPhone 5/S - mounted on the chassis:
    hQ1wFXI.jpg


    LG Nexus 5 - mounted on the battery cover:
    OrcWfFy.jpg


    HTC One X - mounted on the chassis:
    22-300x198.png


    Galaxy S3, S4 and S5...you get the idea:

    ILbuQ4W.jpg

    Hq1i7X9.jpg

    f0E2gIk.jpg


    And as you can see, the motor is inside the right speaker's cavity, so the sound generated by the motor might be amplified.

    7zBkagv.jpg


    Its vibration may also sound "rattly" in comparison with Samsung phones' vibration, because Samsung (as well as LG, Sony and Apple's iPhone 4S and 6/Plus) uses linear oscillation motors as opposed to the electric motor with counterweight type. The former have a better "vibration-to-noise" ratio than the latter. They run on AC as opposed to DC, so they can reach peak vibration almost instantly, requiring no spin-up and spin-down time. This is especially noticeable in the keyboard's haptic feedback, where the vibration only lasts a few fractions of a second at a time. The amplitude of a linear vibration can also be changed without affecting the frequency, so it is also much more precise.

    Vibrate motors from left to right: Samsung Galaxy S3, iPhone 4S, Sony Xperia Z, iPhone 5 (very similar size to the iPhone 4's), HTC One X, iPhone 3GS

    FzoJhUg.jpg

    50KDSB5.jpg


    More information about electric motor vibration motors: http://www.precisionmicrodrives.com...rm-characteristics-for-vibration-applications

    More information about linear oscillation (or linear resonance) motors: http://www.precisionmicrodrives.com...resonant-actuator-lra-haptic-vibration-motors
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    Last time I used a Note 2, well Samsung vibrators are really vibrating, OPO's vibration is too weak, better disable it.
    Ever since the Galaxy S2 I've only ever used Samsung droids (including the Note 2), so all of them had linear oscillation motors and worked very well. The OPO's is good enough for when you are already paying attention to the phone (typing, playing games etc.), but not good enough for silent notification.
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    testing

    Next week I'll put it on a Rion VA-12 will have access to a iPhone 5s and moto x as well for some comparisons. Not noticed mine being overly weak but will be nice to test non the less.

    Some info on the VA-12

    http://www.noise-and-vibration.co.uk/pid9/rion-va-12-vibration-analyser
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    Yeah I didn't like the rattly sound that it made so I just disabled vibration completely on my 1+1