Hi. So you'll understand where I'm coming from... I've smoked cigarettes off and on for forty years. I'm the guy that stepped around the corner so mom couldn't see. Later, I raised two children (now 27 and 28 Y.O.), and only confided my smoking habit to them when they turned 25 Y.O. (otherwise doubling the chance they'd take up the habit). To date, they've never seen me smoke. Recently, I bought a Wismec regulated 75 watt subohm mod and an Estoc tank with ceramic coils. I'd like to learn to use them to best advantage and most efficiently. However, my internet inquiries lead me to subohm cloud-chasing articles instead of the basics. vaping will not be a hobby or social pastime for me. I want to learn more about fine-tuning wattage/PG and VG mix/adjusting air intake, coil resistance options, and the effects and benefits of all these choices for regulated, box-stock subohm tank rigs like mine. Resources, please. Thanks.
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A coil with more mass is going to need more power to reach the temperature needed to vaporize eliquid. Lower resistance coils tend to have more mass, but some other variables like type of metal the wire is made of and its gauge (thickness) can throw that trend off.
If you get spitting, try turning up the power. If it's too warm, open up the air. Too much volume, try a higher resistance (lower mass) coil.
Ratio: More VG=>smoother, wicks slower, more vapor produced / More PG=>sharper, wicks faster, less cloudy
If you get spitting, try turning up the power. If it's too warm, open up the air. Too much volume, try a higher resistance (lower mass) coil.
Ratio: More VG=>smoother, wicks slower, more vapor produced / More PG=>sharper, wicks faster, less cloudy
That's something you kept hidden successfully for so long. I never smoked in front of my daughter but she certainly complained about my smelling from them. She was ecstatic when I changed to vaping.
Are you still smoking, and how much? The only basics you need to figure out at the beginning is how much nic you need to keep from craving a cigarette, and maybe an idea of flavor, which is a very personal preference. The mod you got is fine, the tank you have with the ceramic EUC coils lends itself more to DL (direct to lung) rather than mtl (mouth to lung) which is more similar to how you smoke/smoked. Having said that, I'm using one of those ceramic EUC coils as I type but in a different tank. If you close the airflow down a bit on the tank you should get a tighter draw which will feel more like drawing on a cigarette. You also do not need to turn the power up a lot on that coil, it will work fine in the high 20w range which you can always adjust.
It still comes back to what type of juice you have, prefer, and how much nic is in it, as well as how much you smoked to try and tailor some more specific suggestions. Congrats on taking the first steps.
Are you still smoking, and how much? The only basics you need to figure out at the beginning is how much nic you need to keep from craving a cigarette, and maybe an idea of flavor, which is a very personal preference. The mod you got is fine, the tank you have with the ceramic EUC coils lends itself more to DL (direct to lung) rather than mtl (mouth to lung) which is more similar to how you smoke/smoked. Having said that, I'm using one of those ceramic EUC coils as I type but in a different tank. If you close the airflow down a bit on the tank you should get a tighter draw which will feel more like drawing on a cigarette. You also do not need to turn the power up a lot on that coil, it will work fine in the high 20w range which you can always adjust.
It still comes back to what type of juice you have, prefer, and how much nic is in it, as well as how much you smoked to try and tailor some more specific suggestions. Congrats on taking the first steps.
Since you are coming off analogs. You don't want sub Ohm. For two reasons.
1./sub ohm GUZZLES Ejuice.
2. Almost all sub Ohm Atomizers use a very open draw. Smoking cigarettes people do not like an open draw (Lung hit) when you are accustomed to mouth to lung.
I woukd recommend the istick Pico or eVic VTC Mini. Both are very good mods
And get a Mouth to Lung Atomizer. I HIGHLY recommend the Nautilus Mini.
All true. Except the OP already has an RX75 and an Estoc tank. The RX75 is the same power and has the same features, so there's no benefit to his returning or not using it at this time. The Estoc with EUC coil is not the perfect mtl setup, but the ceramic is a tighter draw than I expected when I tried it, and was sort of peeved at a more restricted airflow through than I expected. So there's stuff he can work with and no reason this moment anything needs to be replaced. Maybe the tank won't turn out perfect, and maybe a Nauti mini might be more appropriate, but it will work as well on the RX75 as on a Pico or eVic.
Until there is a better idea of his expectations for a vape experience and the amount he smoked, as well as any experience with juice he already bought, it's hard to make any suggestions. But replacing good gear with another brand right our of the gate is probably unnecessary, especially as the mods you mentioned are of the same power and capability. Even the tank size limitation of the Pico and RX75 are just about the same.
I recommended vs sub Ohm Atty and lost a friend because of it. She said she felt as if she was drowning from so much vapor.
Since he already has tge gear, i would recommend if the draw is too loose put hus current Atty aside and get an MTL device. He can always use that Atty later when his vaping style changes.
The vape market is more focused on existing vapers than smokers trying to switch. In the good old days (two years ago) new vapers were advised to start with something like a nautilus mini with a 1.8 ohm coil, set power at 8-10 watts and use e liquid with 12-18 mg nic. It was good advice back then and it's good adviice today. You can use your present mod at 8-10 watts but you may need a different atomizer that accepts higher ohm coils and has more restricted air flow. Once you have a set up that's cutting down your cigs or even eliminating them and you are interested in all the lastest fads then keep your money in your pocket and read and read and ask questions in the forum and read some more. You can take the time to learn a lot or do none of that and keep right on vaping at 8-10 watts. Get to know the people in the tootle puffer thread. They tend to be lower power vapers and may know more about that kind of equipment.
There's obviously more to this story whether you know about it or not.
Can we stick to facts and/or at least vape related conjecture please?
Leave the heart string pulling to bureaucrats and antis attempting to take your liberties, where it belongs.
Your friend didn't up and disown you simply over vape gear.
And if she did, she wasn't your friend in the first place.
Tapatyped
There are no Books on vaping. Most learn by word of mouth, absorbing Urban Myths on the way.
A good resource is Steam Engine, you may download for free..
Now Two Bears I'm going to have to disagree with your opinion that sub-ohm isn't to be recommended to a beginner. When I started I purchased an Evic Mini VTC with the Tron S tank. I had never heard of sub-ohm and knew nothing about MTL versus DTL. I just found that direct to lung seemed a natural thing to do with such a free airflow device. Much later I inadvertently ended up with a MTL Kanger product and it lasted about 3 vapes before I put it away as its draw was way to tight for me. Not all of us wanted to recreate the effect of smoking. Same reason I won't vape tobacco flavor.
Guzzling juice, that's what the Cloud Beast does, not what my Crowns do. I think it is a subjective call at best and DIY makes the point mute anyway.
Couldn't agree more.
The cult like thinking that permeates this site is downright stifling.
Just glad I'm not a mindless follower. I'd still be smoking 4 packs a day.
And my wife.
And my brother.
Mom, dad, step dad and father in law...
Different story.
BUT!
Out of all them (tootle puffers [second list]), only dad has successfully quit smoking.
Which of course proves nothing except our experiences and preferences are as individual as we are.
Which begs the question...
How would one know without a shadow of a doubt what the preference of a total stranger is enough to tell them they don't want the information they seek and that obviously their problem is they're doing it wrong!?!?!?
Excuse me, but
To know there's another option... great.
To think it's the only one and try to force it on people... well... SMH...
Tapatyped
(Edit in parenthesis for clarity)
(The sub ohm group all successfully quit tobacco.)
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At the risk of intruding on a sub-ohm related thread, if you are thinking of taking up the previous suggestion of going MTL like when you smoked, you could do a lot worse than the Kamry Micro. Here is my thread about it: Kamry Micro - a good successor to the eRoll? It's a pretty good 2016/17 cigalike model that works as a take-it-out-puff-away-then-put-it-away-again-with-no-fiddling-or-thinking-about-it-vape.
Most people, if knowing little about a discipline, will gravitate to anecdotal evidence.
No harm if it doesn't impede growth, the harm is mistaking for Truth..
No harm if it doesn't impede growth, the harm is mistaking for Truth..
i have bought tons of mtl tanks and none have done it for me. I have the best luck with the uwell crown. Not only do juices taste better, but it's a satisfying feeling.
I highly reccomend a easy sub ohm tank for a beginner vaper.
I highly reccomend a easy sub ohm tank for a beginner vaper.
Will agree to disagree.
Someone smoking analogs have problems with direct lung vaping unless they smoked that herb we are not allowed to talk about.
I say if you want MTL vaping don't go Sub ohm.
How is it sticking to recommend analog users to start with something that emulates the device they are smoking.Couldn't agree more.
The cult like thinking that permeates this site is downright stifling.
Just glad I'm not a mindless follower. I'd still be smoking 4 packs a day.
And my wife.
And my brother.
Mom, dad, step dad and father in law...
Different story.
BUT!
Out of all them (tootle puffers [second list]), only dad has successfully quit smoking.
Which of course proves nothing except our experiences and preferences are as individual as we are.
Which begs the question...
How would one know without a shadow of a doubt what the preference of a total stranger is enough to tell them they don't want the information they seek and that obviously their problem is they're doing it wrong!?!?!?
Excuse me, but
To know there's another option... great.
To think it's the only one and try to force it on people... well... SMH...
Tapatyped
(Edit in parenthesis for clarity)
(The sub ohm group all successfully quit tobacco.)
I started witgbsn Evod that was a very tight MTL.
After i saw that vaping didn't do a number on my throat abd lungs as cigarettes did i went to looser draws finally wide open RDAs and RTAs.
All i am saying is start with a draw yoy are using NOW. No need to throw them in at the deep end of the pool in the beginning.
If you do they are going to run back to the cancer sticks!
I said start with MTL. I didn't say you have to stay there for the rest of their vaping life.
If i had started with the Subtank Mini, SXK Nebula Wine, Kayfun Monster Mini, Amigo RTAs or Velocity, of Deadmodz v2 RDAs i woukd still be smoking.
Now do you understand where i am coming from?
Cutting the fluff here.
Yes.
I've understood you all along.
For months. Quite a few of them.
And I happen to KNOW you're wrong.
Why?
Because EVERY newly turned ex-smoker isn't the same.
I progressed quickly from choking, hacking, struggling, nic fits, migraines, stress and moodiness to finally feeling this may work long term.
What was my problem?
Trying YOUR WAY first.
Don't get me wrong. I think your input would be invaluable if you didn't think you were offering THE ONLY way.
But... I DIDN'T SMOKE THAT WAY, either.
On a slow day, I smoked 4 packs. Sometimes with 2 21mg patches on while chewing nicorette and supplementing with a nice cigar and/or Skoal mint or wintergreen.
I often inhaled a cigarette in 3 drags leaving a full length cherry.
HOWEVER!
My other 2 examples above DIDN'T do all that.
And are still successful dl vapers.
Hell, my brother never even smoked. He dipped and chewed solely.
And started vaping at 100 watts.
This deep end talk? Why strike fear?
Run back to cancer sticks?
Running?
Really?
You really meant hobble and wheeze, right?
Exactly how do you propose I emulate how *I* used to smoke?
Because what you're suggesting now... that's SUPPOSED to work for EVERYBODY... SUCKS! (for me)
Tapatyped
For me the devices that offer large clouds is what actually finally got me 100% switched over to vaping and off the analogs... The setups i started with were all mtl but i still dl'd on them, had to augment the airflow by not having a complete seal with lips, wasnt the most satisfying thing but showed me that there was possibility. Right now my device would be considered a cloud chaser device however i stick with simple coils. I use dual coals 6 wraps each of 26awg SS316L at 4mm. Run at 420F right now. I love the feeling/sensation in my lungs clouds be damned. TBH if i could get the same exact feeling with less clouds i would because it does get annoying having my rooms getting fogged up. Unfortunately cant have my cake and eat it too in this particular area.
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