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President Trump: Part II

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Marcus

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The previous thread was getting slow, unresponsive and generating duplicates, so I have made a shiny new thread for you. As usual, the split point is arbitrary and participants are free to copy & paste from the previous thread.
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newyorkguy said:
You keep implying Obama issued fewer EOs only in comparison to recent presidents or since WW2. But the list that was linked shows he issued the fewest of any president for the past 100+ years. I am a registered Democrat and the context here is, Obama has repeatedly been accused of using EOs in a way few presidents have. Almost to the point where it became dictatorial. That Obama was trying to usurp the powers of Congress through the use of EOs. If that was true I would be greatly concerned and very disappointed in Barack Obama. Only it's not true yet some people -- and I don't mean you -- go on making that accusation anyway.

I think it needs to be refuted and clearly refuted. Not in comparison only with recent presidents or since WWII but since the late 19th century. Many fewer than G.W. Bush, Reagan, Nixon, Johnson, Truman, FDR, Hoover, Coolidge, Wilson, Theodore Roosevelt, Taft. Fewer than any two term president since Ulysses Grant, 1869-1877. That's 140 years and I don't think that can be considered recent.
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I never said anything about "recent" , that was The Don. All I said was Obama is in the middle of the pack historically. It wasn't intended as an insult.

At least you said "I don't mean you" because I never made the accusation you're referring to.
 
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The Great Zaganza said:
Yes, we do intentionally weaken the equality of votes to promote Federalism.
This is usually a good thing, but we must not kid ourselves about the fact that we are sacrificing democracy for unity.
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I'll counter and say, we must not kid ourselves that we sacrifice democracy in order to prevent the tyranny of the majority.

I happen to think that's a good thing.
 
Emily's Cat said:
I'll counter and say, we must not kid ourselves that we sacrifice democracy in order to prevent the tyranny of the majority.

I happen to think that's a good thing.
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That's the job of other constitutional mechanisms, such as Bill of Rights and Supreme Court. Also, 2/3 majorities for major decisions.

Codifying that some people's vote is more important than other's is problematic.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
That's the job of other constitutional mechanisms, such as Bill of Rights and Supreme Court. Also, 2/3 majorities for major decisions.

Codifying that some people's vote is more important than other's is problematic.
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That's not what it's doing. It's codifying that a governing entity (a state) has a voice in addition to the people. Each person's vote has the same value as any other, but the state itself has a vote as well.
 
Emily's Cat said:
That's not what it's doing. It's codifying that a governing entity (a state) has a voice in addition to the people. Each person's vote has the same value as any other, but the state itself has a vote as well.
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interesting way to look at it...
 
Live press conference:

Trump believes that there was voter fraud, based on studies he has seen.

What studies?

Studies he has seen.

And repeat...
 
"Extraordinary Claims require extraordinary evidence" - Carl Sagan

And all of Trump's claims are extraordinary.
It is not enough for him to make a counter-claim.
 
Aber said:
Live press conference:

Trump believes that there was voter fraud, based on studies he has seen.

What studies?

Studies he has seen.

And repeat...
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What's really interesting is that the new press secretary kept saying "That's what the President believes" when he was asked directly "Do YOU believe it?" and "Where's the evidence?" Even the people working for him must secretly know he's crazy.

And he doesn't like to be told he's wrong, either.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...-0902pm:homepage/story&utm_term=.36a82897773c
 
Spindrift said:
That's going to go over well with the Donald. ;)
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Before the Primaries, I remember people like Sean Hannity claiming that neither side actually wants to get rid of illegal immigrants. The Democrats want to make them legal to buy their votes, and the Establishment Republicans want them as cheap labor. Only a "True Republican" like Trump would have the courage to properly deal with them. This may convince him of that, and that everyone is plotting against him on the issue. They don't want him talking about the illegal immigrants that are eroding the fabric of our great nation because they don't want him to do anything about them.
 
The real work begins. This was reported by the Associated Press this afternoon:
12:45 p.m.

The Trump administration has instituted a media blackout at the Environmental Protection Agency and barred staff from awarding any new contracts or grants. Emails sent to EPA staff since President Donald Trump's inauguration on Friday and reviewed by The Associated Press detailed the specific prohibitions banning press releases, blog updates or posts to the agency's social media accounts. The Trump administration has also ordered a "temporary suspension" of all new business activities at the department, including issuing task orders or work assignments to EPA contractors. The orders are expected to have a significant and immediate impact on EPA activities nationwide.

The EPA did not respond to phone calls and emails requesting comment Monday or Tuesday. AP link
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Spicer, I believe today, cited "evidence" for Trump's massive voter fraud claim by referencing a 2008 poll in which respondents "thought" voter registration needs to be updated.
Spicer’s only attempt to support Trump’s assertion was to point to a 2008 Pew Research survey that showed a need to update voter registration systems. news link
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Argumemnon said:
"Extraordinary claims require alternative facts." - Donald Trump
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"Extraordinary claims require alternative facts." - Carl Sagan once said to Donald Trump, although, Donald Trump can't remember where and when this discussion took place. Probably some shindig in NY ... but, yeah, Carl Sagan, yuge, yuge fan ...
 
Bob001 said:
What's really interesting is that the new press secretary kept saying "That's what the President believes" when he was asked directly "Do YOU believe it?" and "Where's the evidence?" Even the people working for him must secretly know he's crazy.
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So how long until people abandon ship and move onto saner pastures?
 
Marcus said:
Perhaps he has accidently done the right thing. Both pipelines are a much safer way to transport oil than by truck or rail.
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Better yet would be to build a refinery up in Dakota, and then transport the gasoline or other refined products.

Of course, the best course would be to leave it.
 
bobdroege7 said:
Better yet would be to build a refinery up in Dakota, and then transport the gasoline or other refined products.

Of course, the best course would be to leave it.
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Environmentalists would like to leave the oil in the ground, screw the people.

Trumps policy will probably be, screw the environment.

I would prefer a middle ground. Refining it up there sounds good, refineries are really expensive though, I don't know if it's feasible.
 
Marcus said:
Environmentalists would like to leave the oil in the ground, screw the people.

Trumps policy will probably be, screw the environment.

I would prefer a middle ground. Refining it up there sounds good, refineries are really expensive though, I don't know if it's feasible.
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This.
 
Marcus said:
Environmentalists would like to leave the oil in the ground, screw the people.
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I am not sure transporting it in pipelines is safer than by rail, which has been shown to be another way to "screw the people"

For various values of "screw"
 
Marcus said:
Perhaps he has accidently done the right thing. Both pipelines are a much safer way to transport oil than by truck or rail.
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Not the point, but I'm used to Trump supporters ignoring the stated facts and instead trying to deflect to different subjects.
 
bobdroege7 said:
I am not sure transporting it in pipelines is safer than by rail, which has been shown to be another way to "screw the people"

For various values of "screw"
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Pipelines are the safest, then rail, trucks a distant third.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Not the point, but I'm used to Trump supporters ignoring the stated facts and instead trying to deflect to different subjects.
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If you think I'm a Trump supporter, you haven't been paying attention.

Skeptic Ginger said:
Of course because renewable energy sources aren't gaining any traction whatsoever. :rolleyes:

And that doesn't screw the people? :rolleyes:
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Leaving the oil in the ground screws the people. That doesn't mean we ignore renewable energy, it means we need a mix.
 
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