Talk:Nintendo Switch

Regarding Nintendo Switch's competition

I don't think Nintendo Switch would compete with 9th generation consoles Xbox Series X/S and Playstation 5, since it is 8th generation. Is there reliable source of it competing with those next-gen consoles? 95.215.116.145 (talk) 18:31, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

The simplest of Google searches suggest they do to some capacity. Sergecross73 msg me 19:22, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

The Switch is already competing with the competitors' 9th gen systems. NPD is already classifying it as a competition to the PS5 and XBX|S. 61.9.108.144 (talk) 02:23, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

We have a new source that puts the Switch decidedly outside the 9th gen, that being the FTC. [1] --Masem (t) 02:07, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

That's not how I read it, the article doesn't say Switch isn't competition. Perhaps it is implying it, but that's WP:OR. The article says, "even if the Switch were included in the market, the likely anticompetitive effects of the Proposed Acquisition are the same as in the high-performance console market." They compete, just on different things. PS5 is a high-performance competitor, but is certainly not the only competition. A parent buying a console for their kid at walmart just sees a red, green, and blue aisle. They don't care what generation number the hardware fits under.Darkage7_[Talk] 05:00, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

You're really gonna die on this hill even now, huh? C'mon man, this is just a repeat of the "trying to classify Gen8 as Gen2010" thing. VinLAURiA (talk) 02:05, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

I think the Switch is the first console of the 9th generation. Putting the Switch and Wii U/3ds in the same generation doesnt seem right WOWLWOWL 16:58, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Just because the Wii U failed and Switch was rushed out doesn't make Switch the start of a new generation of gaming. The Super A'can also wasn't fifth generation, even though it was released in 1995. Switch has stayed competitive with 9th generation hardware, but it is not a 9th generation offering. TheEmperorAnt (talk) 01:05, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

The Xbox Series S/X and PlayStation 5 are clearly not competing with the Nintendo Switch; outselling the previously mentioned consoles combined. Perhaps the Switch should be considered 9th Generation all on its own and the Xbox Series S/X and PlayStation 5 should be considered 10th Generation.

The idea that the Nintendo Switch should be grouped into the same generation as the Nintendo 3DS and PlayStation Vita and is laughable. Idrawrobots (talk) 18:43, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

I've never seen any source suggest your "PS5 is 10th gen" comment. We can't just make stuff up like that. Zero percent chance of adopting that one. Sergecross73 msg me 19:21, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

What's laughable is coming into this discussion and suggesting inventing a wholly new generation completely unsupported by any sources... -- ferret (talk) 20:18, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

To expand further on this, I'm still of the stance that Switch has been misclassified on Wikipedia this entire time due to a premature consensus from over five years ago before the generation had started proper, which seemed to come entirely down to "well, no news sources are using the term 'Gen9' at this time". There was a debate from over a decade ago where some editors were trying to classify Gen8 as 'Gen2010' because of similar "well, no news sources are are using the term 'Gen8' at this time" reasoning, yet the 'Gen8' moniker still won out for obvious reasons.

The only other arguments I've seen in support of the Switch being considered Gen8 are that it's weaker than even the Gen8 systems Xbone and PS4, and that its release was multiple years before the releases of the PS5 and X|S. But considering its hardware, the Switch as a hybrid device would more appropriately be classified as a Gen9 handheld rather than a Gen8 home console under the old "home console or handheld" dichotomy. It's more comparable to the PSP and Vita: handhelds with TV-out capabilities/SKUs and whose libraries somewhat overlapped with the home consoles of the generations prior, which they were still sightly weaker than - in Vita's case, it shared a lot of games with the PS3 and 360 of Gen7 but was still considered Gen8, even if it came out over a year before the Xbone, PS4, and Wii U.

Switch is a similar concept: its dock doesn't even have any additional compute hardware in it, merely an HDMI output and a constant AC connection so that the Switch itself can maintain the greater clockspeed necessary to drive the higher resolutions of external displays, but the actual system is entirely self-contained within the tablet component, making it a handheld. The only difference between it and other such handhelds (PSP/Vita, or things like the Neo Geo X) is that the inputs on the sides are now detachable and able to act as wireless controllers. And considering the existence of the Vita TV (which even primarily used a Gen7 controller as its form of input despite being Gen8), even the "handheld system uses wireless controllers" aspect isn't new, even if the Vita TV model didn't have a handheld mode (parallel to the Switch Lite not having a TV mode).

To circle back to release timeframes, the Dreamcast came out three years before the GameCube and original Xbox (1998 vs. 2001) and was vastly weaker, yet Dreamcast was still considered Gen6 like those, even though there was a time where it directly competed with Gen5's N64 and PS1 in lieu of its failed predecessor, the Saturn. This precisely mirrors the situation of the Wii U and Switch versus their respective competition, and as of 2023, Switch has now been competing against the PS5 and X|S (with an identical release gap of 2017 vs. 2020) for as long as it has against the PS4 and Xbone (a larger gap of 2013 vs. 2017). To still say at this point that it is merely a carryover from Gen8 which competes with Gen9 consoles is disingenuous, particularly when it directly succeeds two Gen8 systems in the Wii U and 3DS. Yes, in the early generations, there were systems which shared a generation classification with their "successors" - the SG-1000 and Master System was the counter-example I've heard in the past, and I should point out those were merely iterative models of the same platform, such as the progression from 3DS/Xbone/PS4 to New 3DS/Xbone X/PS4 Pro - but that is not the paradigm in this case. Switch isn't a "Wii U Pro". It was clearly meant to be a generational successor to Nintendo's Gen8 systems.

The whole case regarding the Xbox+ABK merger makes me want Wikipedia to reexamine that past consensus, particularly since we still don't know when the Switch's successor is set to release (clearly not 2023, which automatically puts Switch closer to the PS5 and X|S), and whether that would be considered the first Gen10 system once it does; especially with talks of Microsoft and Sony already looking to the next generation themselves, such as Sony threatening MS not to expect PS6 devkits for CoD if the merger goes through. The FTC lawyer argues Switch is "outside Gen9" and yet the judge fires back that it might be "better than Gen9", so where does that leave us? Is this all just dismissible as "original research" simply because sites like GameSpot and IGN followed Wikipedia's lead when it first started labelling Switch as 'Gen8', thus making that claim "verifiable by outside sources"? If there's any time to finally rectify this years-long error, it's now. VinLAURiA (talk) 02:10, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Yes, it is original research to say anything that is counter to what RSes say, no matter how much you want to argue it is a 9th generation. Remember that generations have to do with competition, not with technology. Masem (t) 02:34, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Absurd. Those 'reliable sources' took Wikipedia's lead to begin with. Labelling it as Gen8 in the first place back then was original research, even if it was achieved by editor consensus at the time. That's just using how outside sources have parroted that decision to justify keeping it this way. VinLAURiA (talk) 02:57, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

We did not label it 8th gen until there were more than enough sources that also labelled it that way. We had learned our lesson from earlier systems as to not jump that gun. Masem (t) 03:02, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Not a single source was mentioned in that old discussion. The decision was made entirely through consensus and vague "well I've seen" anecdotes. The gun was still jumped.

ADDENDUM: In fact, you yourself said even after that consensus had been reached that the issue had to be decided through consensus rather than with sources due to the lack of such sources, and had even earlier argued that Switch being labelled as Gen8 would therefore push Wii U to Gen7, which obviously haven't happened. While a list of "reliable sources" was compiled by another user, the definition they had used entirely relied on the terminology 'current' rather than 'Gen8', particularly regarding NPD sales. Switch, PS5, and X|S are all the 'current' ones now, something which is easily verifiable by similar sources today. I posit that those old discussions and consensus reached from such were all flawed on account of being premature. Switch was already only labelled Gen8 due to original research and precisely because of the lack of sources. It is no less valid and in fact far more supportable to move its classification to Gen9. VinLAURiA (talk) 03:19, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

If you'd like to develop a detailed proposal, write up an WP:RFC, and garner a consensus to change, you're welcome to it. It's easy to idly complain, but infinitely harder to get the community to agree on such a broad and far reaching change such as this. The saying "easier said than done" comes to mind. Sergecross73 msg me 03:26, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

I'll look into it. That said, I'm not complaining idly, I'm trying to dispute this and refer to the appropriate articles to support my case. I just fear that - as you said - because it has been classified this way for so long, sheer inertia and resistance to change from how embedded that conclusion has become (a conclusion that I assert ought to have never been made at the time in the first place) would not provide a fair chance to the proposal should I make one, and that developing a proposal which may ultimately fail would only make it even harder to rectify in the future due to its failure then being able to be used as a further exhibit to the contrary. "Easier said than done" indeed.

EDIT: Also, reading the RfC page, is this issue even at the point where an RfC is required yet? Accoding to WP:RFCBEFORE it seems to be intended as something to use only when other forms of dispute resolution have failed. VinLAURiA (talk) 03:34, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Please look into it rather than just going ahead and making changes that have clearly voiced opposition against them, as you have today. It doesn't have to be an RFC technically, but I can't imagine getting enough input on a contentious subject like this without one logistically speaking. Sergecross73 msg me 22:59, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm open to the discussion continuing, so long as it actually continues. I just didn't want my concerns - which I made quite an effort in putting together - dismissed as "idle complaints" and then no further development or input made on this issue until my changes today, seemingly in the hopes that I'd just give up and go away. But as for the RfC specifically, I don't feel comfortable making one personally; I'd much rather a more experienced user does so, because I feel they would be less likely to screw it up. VinLAURiA (talk) 23:34, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Feel free to continue it then, but no one is going to advance your argument for you either, nor are you likely to get anywhere just talking circles to Masem and I. Sergecross73 msg me 23:38, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

One other thing. As reported via a reliable source (IGN) today, a judge officially and explicitly considers Nintendo Switch to be a direct competitor with X|S and PS5. This is the clearest evidence yet that Switch is officially a Gen9 system, whereas all prior findings that have influenced Wikipedia's decision to consider Switch as Gen8 was based entirely on the lack of mention of any successor systems at the time of the initial decisions, as mentioned in the archived discussions I've linked above. Indeed, this also directly overrules the FTC's assertion that the Switch is "outside Gen9" as was mentioned by an opposing voice above, barring any sort of appeal to the case. VinLAURiA (talk) 21:43, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

From that article "Even still, the ruling concedes that “the FTC has met its preliminary injunction burden to show the Switch is not included in the relevant market” – but makes a point to say that if the court was the final decisionmaker on that point, it would find Nintendo to be part of the relevant market." In other words right now it is not considered to compete with the other 9th generation by the FTC while the judge does. That doesn't give anywhere enough to shift the Switch to the 8th, only that it remains as a carryover into the 9th but still is an 8th gen. Masem (t) 22:26, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

And again, what was the decision to consider Switch a Gen8 system in the first place? No source ever explicitly listed it as such, despite what your revert reason says. There were no "all other sources" to outweigh because no other sources ever stated as such to begin with. All sources cited in Wikipedia's initial consensus five years ago merely listed the system as "current", not specifically "eighth". VinLAURiA (talk) 22:34, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

5 years ago there was no Xbox series x or ps5. "Current" clearly meant the as Xbox one and ps4. Masem (t) 22:36, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

That's original research; you're extrapolating "eighth" simply because there were Gen8 systems that were also considered "current" at the time. But there was a time the Wii U, 360, and PS3 were all "current" because there was no Xbone or PS4 yet. Wii U is not considered Gen7, is it? VinLAURiA (talk) 22:37, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Are you really suggesting that, upon the Switch's announcement and release across 2016/2017, there weren't any sources writing articles discussing how the Switch would fare again the only consoles on the market? I'm happy to dig for sources if you truly believe that, but it feels a bit far-fetched to believe personally... Sergecross73 msg me 22:50, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Oh, of course there were, but there were similarly articles discussing how Wii U would fare against the 360 and PS3, particularly those doomsaying how "Wii U isn't even as powerful as these systems" and likewise you'll still find some trying to argue how Wii U was in fact a late-Gen7 machine.

My point is and remains that Wikipedia's decision to classify Switch as Gen8 was entirely premature when even Masem himself conceded at the time that the consensus to classify it as such was made entirely in the absence of any evidence either way. I'll even directly quote it:

"Whether the Switch is 8th or 9th is an issue we have to decide by consensus because we don't have a strong body of RSes that suggest either route. On the other hand, we do have a huge body of references that prove why the sky is blue or why dinos don't exist any more, so consensus cannot override those."

And bear in mind, this statement was made even after that consensus was made (2018-06-12 for said statement versus 2018-04-08 at the latest for the initial consensus). But in the years since, the memory of this appears to have to have been distorted into "we definitely had sources explicitly stating it to be eighth" when that clearly was not the case. The decision was only ever been made by consensus, not by proof of sources. I assert said consensus was mistaken, particularly in light of these past few years' developments. VinLAURiA (talk) 23:01, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

I am looking at our te t and I think we go out of the way to say it is considered eighth but also competes in ninth, which is about as neutral a statement we can make. We can't deny it was grouped with eighth gen, while we also recognized it carries over (this is why Switch is also listed on the ninth gen page). Until we have a firm agreement across sources this solution works.. it simply doesn't cleanly fall into solely one generation. Masem (t) 22:56, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

I would say listing it solely as "eighth" among templates and categories, explicitly referring to it as an "eighth-generation console" in the text, and placing it as "eighth" in the infobox is not a neutral stance. It clearly leans towards the Switch being considered a Gen8 system rather than Gen9. If the system doesn't cleanly fall into one generation, then the current situation on the wiki does a poor job of reflecting this. No, this solution doesn't work. Even if we were to work under the assumption that the system's generation can't be easily defined, then the current solution erroneously takes a clear stance on the matter which it shouldn't be taking. VinLAURiA (talk) 23:11, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Positioning the Switch as both 8th and 8th is a far better position than what you were trying are argue as the unit being solely 9th gen. Masem (t) 23:37, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

But it's not currently being positioned as eighth and ninth, it's being positioned solely as eighth with a token mention of "also competes with ninth-gen systems" at one spot in the text. If it's being positioned as both, then why is it absent from the ninth-gen template or any Gen9-related categories? VinLAURiA (talk) 23:45, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Well for one thing I just updated this page to reflect the split. Masem (t) 23:48, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

That at least is something I can work with. VinLAURiA (talk) 23:54, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

I want be clear on this; all we can say is that it overlaps 8th and 9th. We can't go into all the comparisons you wanted to add, because there's nothing in sources that talk to the mid-8th gen updates relative to the Switch in isolation of the original 8th gen machines.

Also, repeatedly, there was no influence of the 3DS on the Switch (from Nintend's own statements), so it cannot be considered a predecessor.

And to add one more detail, this does not mean the 9th gen suddenly started with the Switch. We have more than enough sources that say that Nov 2021, when the Xbox Series X/S and PS5 were released, was the start of the ninth gen. We're not retconning those sources to stick the Switch before it, only that by the nature of its release, it overlaps with the ninth. Masem (t) 00:47, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Wouldn't the Switch be considered a successor to both Wii U and 3DS if we're intending to merge the Switch Lite into the main article? Because the Switch Lite is considered the successor to the 3DS and they're ultimately the same product. VinLAURiA (talk) 00:57, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

No, the Switch Lite is not a 3DS successor neither. We have clear documentation from Nintento that the Switch followed ideas from the Wii U (even failed ones), but that the 3DS wasn't considered in this. It is not the idea "oh, its the next handheld (even if hybrid) from Nintendo thus it is its successor". Masem (t) 01:00, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Well that's what it had been listed as on the Switch Lite article prior to my edit, so that's what I was going off of. You'll likewise have to remove the "successor" reference from all the 3DS model pages, then. VinLAURiA (talk) 01:02, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Yes, that is correct, it should be removed everywhere. People tinker with it all the time and it's hard to keep up, but sources back up what Masem said. Sergecross73 msg me 01:26, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Let's be real here, the only reason why these sources say 9th gen started with XBX|S and PS5 is purely due to bias for those two systems, and only taking into account power. It's not different to that stupid "Next-gen doesn't start until we say so" said ba Kaz Hirai. 130.105.51.101 (talk) 11:40, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

How about updating the Ninth Generation article to also include the Switch in the table, then? 130.105.183.141 (talk) 11:04, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Questions about the 9th gen article should be proposed at the 9th gen article's talk page, not in the middle of this 8 month old conversation. Sergecross73 msg me 15:31, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

I agree with this. The Switch clearly has its feet in both 8th and 9th gen camps. Technologically it's more competitive with 8th, but by sales numbers it's probably up there with 9th. It seems like we're the ones who are trying to shoehorn it into one or the other, when clearly it's an important part of both, and I think all sources converge on that. Nintendo has gone out of their way with their Blue Ocean Strategy to not clearly fit into one mold or the other. Darkage7_[Talk] 23:13, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

As a whole the generations tend to never be unifying in there definitions see Wikipedia's Home Video game console generations page. With that most sources [2] [3][4][5] include it apart of the 8th generation. While the only one that I found to include it in 9th was [6] A article that was written around the time of release of the 9th gen consoles and used the classification as 9th gen as a joke. Over all both in the past and know we have used time to classify consoles more than specs or competition. It is also notable that This is the only place on Wikipedia that includes. the switch as a 9th gen system. What would make the most sense is to have a paragraph about the switches contentious nature as a 8th or 9th gen system with links pointing out side of Wikipedia. GonzoBlue (talk) 14:33, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

The only sources that have really questioned the debate of whether the Switch is 8th or 9th gen are user forums and blogs, no reliable sources. This is a pedantic issue to some gamers, but not to the world at large, in contrast to how we have multiple RSes that discuss all previous generations as well as how the PS5 and XSXS are in the 9th gen.

Now, given that there are rumors of a new model in the works for next year, we may actually get sources to discuss where the Switch fits into the generations, from which we can expand from there. But we don't know the details yet to even plan for that. Masem (t) 00:08, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Nintendo 3DS

I think it's better best we also make the Nintendo 3DS the other predecessor to the Switch since on the 3DS page it says the switch is the successor to the handheld ThisGuyBroooo (talk) 14:39, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

While I personally agree that the Nintendo 3DS is a predecessor to the Switch, it seems to be a very hotly contested thing around here, so you would want to find a high quality reliable source to back up such a claim. Darkage7_[Talk] 16:33, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Nintendo switch versions

Petition to create a section or separate linked arricle with a comprehensive list of all Switch models and versions, that is special editions and different builds WOWLWOWL 16:53, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

• Opposed - article like this are routinely deleted on Wikipedia. Thats really more of a fan wikia thing. Sergecross73 msg me 17:36, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

  What about a section? There seems to be no easy to read list about the topic online and was hoping to find it here. All i can find are articles that are widely spread throughout the page and outdated. Itd be nice just to have a list or table somewhere. WOWLWOWL 23:17, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

  Sections like this are routinely deleted on Wikipedia. Thats really more of a fan wikia thing. -- ferret (talk) 23:57, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

  Oh I see, this page isnt meant to be a full enciclopedia article wikia is. Got it WOWLWOWL 00:37, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

  No, it's that Wikipedia is written for general audiences, not the hardcore super-fans into all the minor trivial stuff. Your average general audiences type reader doesn't care that they momentarily sold an aqua colored Switch in New Zealand in 2018. That's the sort of thing the super fans list out on the fan wikis written for other super fans. Sergecross73 msg me 01:05, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

  Such list doesnt exist. It would just be a list with the about 12 limited edition models not a single aqua colored from australia. Succh list doesnt exist anywhere only lengthy articles but its ok, the article owner can sometimes be counterproductive. Its fine really. Thanks. WOWLWOWL 01:19, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

  Missed opportunity WOWLWOWL 01:28, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

  Feel free to join a Nintendo fan wikia and add it there. Sergecross73 msg me 01:41, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

• Find it surprising that you might think this basic info would only fit in a fanbase site which by the way it isnt there. After all this is the Switch wiki page and if under the section “Console” we have a subsection called “Rumoured high end revision” which turned out to be the OLED, then i dont see why not have a subsection under the same “Console” section called “Special Editions” and have a list or table in chronological order and its base model (normal, lite or OLED). Its not a matter of a fan thing as you are claiming, its a matter of having a better article about the game console in question. For example Im 32 yo, a family member got the red mario wonder version for christmas. I went ahead and googled nintendo switch versions because i wanted to see if this was 2023 or the other red one. You see im not a fan in that sense im a casual gamer having a discussion about a Nintendo Switch topic. I opened the wiki article since its an encyclopedia. Wanted to get the year and in the sane list the year of the other red one. Its not here and there is no list anywhere else just blog articles outdated. Ended up just googling the specific name. You see, it would enrich the Nintendo Switch article in my opinion. WOWL 03:48, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

  See WP:NOTCATALOGUE and WP:NOTHOWTO. What you're describing is not the function of an encyclopedia. What you want is a buyers guide. I hope you find one. But you shouldn't find one on Wikipedia. Sergecross73 msg me 13:46, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

  Again, we have much less irrelevant subsections in this article. A list of the different special editions is something very relevant to the product and title of the article. I think its something basic that adds to the expected info one can find here about the console. Its not about writing an article about each one is just listing them as basic knowledge of the console. Nintendo switch… conception, reception, popular titles, specs, models and versions. Thats basically all we want to know as info seekers. Everything else is helpful but imo not as essential. WOWLWOWL 18:19, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

  Sorry, but no. Wikipedia isn't an indiscriminate collection of information. We don't list every edition of every console unless they're particularly notable. Listing these editions for the sake of "deciding which console to buy" will be irrelevant once the console is no longer on the market, being only of interest to enthusiasts, and would be deleted anyway.

  Now, multiple editors have now stated that listing every Switch model that are otherwise indistinguishable is not appropriate for an encyclopedic article. It's best for you to drop this. ThomasO1989 (talk) 20:36, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

  You can disagree thats fine. Its not a guide for buying its the fact that within the encyclopedic page of a product, example a car, it is better to have a subsection listing the different versions. Its something relevant to the topic that enriches. Afterall, 100 years from now we will be looking at things like encyclopedia to find a summary of all the basic info. Good luck. WOWLWOWL 22:33, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

  Examples of other wiki articles that mention the different versions:

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_64

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_Wireless_Controller_special_editions

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_360_retail_configurations

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GameCube

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_500_(2007)

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_G3

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-Shock

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_Boy_Color

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_Boy_accessories

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furby

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Lamborghini_automobiles

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_Edition

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_edition

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter_and_the_Philosopher%27s_Stone

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_models#PS_One

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_(magazine)

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_American

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_online_encyclopedias

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sunday_Times_Magazine

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk_(game)

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SimCity_2000

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M3

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Criterion_Collection

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Veyron

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Corvette_(C7)

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Silverado

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_FJ_Cruiser

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_MX-5_(NA)

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playboy_Special_Edition

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_licensed_and_localized_editions_of_Monopoly:_USA

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_(game)

  to name a few. Im sure so many article handlers cant be all wrong in including this info to enrich the page. Some cases have hundreds of special editions. Some cases have explanation of special editions. Some even have a separate article for them. All I was suggesting is voicing them out in some way for the Nintendo Switch. I did what I could in suggesting this improvement. Id have no problem helping doing the work if thats an issue. For now, Im out. End of suggestion for me. WOWLWOWL 23:36, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

  You can filter categories if you want more examples in this industry especifically. WOWLWOWL 23:37, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

  Please read WP:OSE. Sergecross73 msg me 23:44, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

  Hence my last comment. First it was that this is not a buying guide, then that wikipedia deletes such things, then other excuses. I understand its the article handlers choice, it was only a suggestion. Some may agree some may not. Thats fine. WOWLWOWL 23:51, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Nintendo switch screen size

The screen size of the Nintendo Switch lite is 5.5 inch 1280x720 LCD and 267 ppi. The specs chart of the article says that the switch and switch lite have the same size, but that is incorrect. 186.29.33.90 (talk) 17:22, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Be bold and change it then QuarioQuario54321 (talk) 17:26, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

I've fixed it. — Masem (t) 17:34, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Successor Console Rumors

The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that the section about the rumored successor console shouldn't be on the page. Rumors are not generally added to Wikipedia and it's notable that the sources are not official themselves. 2603:6010:8B00:44FF:616A:2F92:6360:5F9E (talk) 00:44, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by "the sources are not official", Eurogamer is certainly a notable source in this field. We don't need for Nintendo confirm or deny anything themselves, in fact independent third-party sources are more reliable anyway. The rumors are substantial and reported on enough to be included. Darkage7_[Talk] 01:01, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Rumors are fair game when they're reported on by reliable sources, which is exactly what the entire section is, so it's fine as is. Sergecross73 msg me 01:20, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Okay then. Just seemed strange to me. 2603:6010:8B00:44FF:4C51:5E85:4D07:9602 (talk) 22:08, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

It is a bit out of the ordinary, but it's more because it's relatively rare for reliable sources to comment on rumors so much. Most rumors don't go much farther than random internet and social media chatter. Sergecross73 msg me 22:26, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

I actually agree with you. Speculation is more in the realm of conspiracy files not an encyclopedia. These rumors almost never turn out to be remotely close to the actual thing even more when there are discarded patent leaks. I guess this section will be deleted once the real thing comes out and we should look at this as the 2024 edition of this page. WOWLWOWL 03:43, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Some of it might remain, but yes, once Nintendo actually states it themselves, then we can trim down from industry rumors/insight to actual statements. Masem (t) 05:02, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Well, we're currently in the month of February, which is usually when a new Nintendo direct comes by, so I think things will get cleared up pretty soon. 2603:6010:8B00:44FF:3511:60FC:EE35:AC96 (talk) 03:34, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

The first half of what you said isn't rooted in any sort of policy or guideline, but you are correct that much if it will be trimmed once it's officially revealed. Sergecross73 msg me 13:55, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

True. Wikipedias guidelines are extensive enough to even include norms on such articles which is why we even have pseudoscience topics and such. I just agree that for this device’s page specifically it looks out of place at least in the long run. WOWLWOWL 13:13, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

@WOWL, what you're saying makes sense. Besides, think about Nintendo. Wouldn't they like to keep their project a secret so that people can actually be surprised when they find out about it. 2603:6010:8B00:44FF:C8A1:919D:ECFD:E3FF (talk) 21:38, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

What WOWL said is not supported by any Wikipedia policy or guideline. We're building an encyclopedia. It does not matter if it correlates with a company's marketing and reveal plans. And again, it's all just reporting on what reliables sources have already published. There's nothing here that doesn't already exist somewhere else on the internet. Sergecross73 msg me 21:51, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Alright then. 2603:6010:8B00:44FF:C8A1:919D:ECFD:E3FF (talk) 03:57, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 March 2024

Nintendo Switch has surpassed 70 million units sold. 2601:8C0:789:E530:23A2:C72E:5FC7:24 (talk) 23:21, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. RudolfRed (talk) 23:30, 29 March 2024 (UTC)