Sick of people stigmatising vaping

Progress is being made in that direction. The trick with smoker's is to leave them be until they exhibit interest in vaping. As vaper's we need to remember how we disliked being told when and how to quit smoking.

I'd laugh out loud if someone actually looked me in the face and told me that...

Exactly zero deaths and diseases are attributable to vaping since it's conception.... in that same time frame we lose nearly half a million people a year to smoking and smoking related diseases in the United States alone. ..

I'd say "But go on believing how much "worse" vaping is than smoking - and put a few more nails in the 'ol coffin and a lot more dollars in the coffers of BT and BP.."

Seriously, I couldn't help myself from laughing in their face. ..

Talking about vaping with a smoker used to be worthwhile in my early years of vaping as most had never heard of it and those that were curious would ask about what I was using. Nowadays few smokers ask and if they do it's to see if I have drugs in my tank.

The bottom line is the negative publicity gave some smokers an excuse not to try vaping. As always, only the smokers that are serious about quitting/cutting back are worth talking to about it. If they're not willing to do some legwork to find out the truth it shows they aren't ready to quit.

One cannot have a sane rational argument or discussion with an insane irrational person. My sister in law is a prime example. She has onset COPD and such, still smokes, won't vape because it causes her to have bronchitis. Yet can suck on a breathing machine which ironically makes her feel better.

I tell them I have beef stew lung, not popcorn

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papergoblin said:

One cannot have a sane rational argument or discussion with an insane irrational person. My sister in law is a prime example. She has onset COPD and such, still smokes, won't vape because it causes her to have bronchitis. Yet can suck on a breathing machine which ironically makes her feel better.

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Perhaps your SIL will want to vape once a part of a lung has been removed, but that still isn't enough for some to find a better choice.

In these days of low mg nic and direct inhales, the art of puffing without inhaling seems to be lost. Nic absorption is primarily through the mucous membranes and can give one a nic fix without breathing in vapor. The first person I helped get off her Parliaments has COPD and through puffing higher mg nic without inhaling was able to finally stop smoking.

While I love dtl vaping, I admit not inhaling works. Have had to utilize that stye a few times due to chest congestion. Actually when I first started vaping mtl I didn't inhale much so I could better absorb the nic.

Not inhaling works. Honestly, I believe there are some smokers who are committed for life. Many years ago a woman I worked with (who was also a heavy smoker, so I encountered her often in the work "corral" as it were. She informed me one day (I think I asked her if something was going on, as she was at the point of fluid retention over her whole body) if she was okay and she said she had COPD. I asked her what she was going to do and her answer was "Nothing." She had never once tried to quit, via any method, and seemed rather proud of the fact that she was going to continue smoking. It may have been bravado, but I think she genuinely meant it. To her smoking was WORTH dying for.

I thought about that lady a LOT during my 18 months with pneumonia, and I'm really glad that I was able to prioritize "Life, and TYPE of life" over smoking, but were it not for vaping, I believe I'd be in her shoes, (although, I HAVE tried every method to quit other than hypnosis, which doesn't work for me, and Chantix, which terrifies me). But I thought about that lady a LOT, and I really send prayers out for those smokers who are going to smoke themselves into the grave regardless of what other options were offered, as there is a fairly large subset of those smokers. Although you never know, really....

A friend of mine's dad got jaw cancer and after he was dx, he sat in the examination room... .Smoking. A nurse came in and said, "You can't do that in here!" but it made perfect sense to me.... He was able to quit but a LOT after cancer, treatment, facial reconstruction, and everything. else. He's another person I wish vaping had been around for, the sweetest guy.

If our government cared about persons and not money, it's the analogues they should be demonizing. Although I will agree than ANYONE can give vaping another chance, I did, and with the right gear and setup was able to do it I am glad I kept an open mind.

Anna

440BB said:

Perhaps your SIL will want to vape once a part of a lung has been removed, but that still isn't enough for some to find a better choice.

In these days of low mg nic and direct inhales, the art of puffing without inhaling seems to be lost. Nic absorption is primarily through the mucous membranes and can give one a nic fix without breathing in vapor. The first person I helped get off her Parliaments has COPD and through puffing higher mg nic without inhaling was able to finally stop smoking.

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Oh I agree, tried to explain that to her. She should know my brother and I used to smoke cigars all the time (still sneak one on the rare occasion). I tried to explain to her all the coughing and such is from everything breaking up and the tar basically coming out, not having it of course.

Showed her both products contain PG and if one is causing a problem, then both could. Her own doctor told her it wasn't causing it and that he preferred people to use e-cigarettes over cigarettes, if they weren't going to quit completely.

She still won't have it, so it's as I said insane and irrational.

Letitia said:

While I love dtl vaping, I admit not inhaling works. Have had to utilize that stye a few times due to chest congestion. Actually when I first started vaping mtl I didn't inhale much so I could better absorb the nic.

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You need to run for president. [emoji6]

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stols001 said:

Not inhaling works. Honestly, I believe there are some smokers who are committed for life.

If our government cared about persons and not money, it's the analogues they should be demonizing. Although I will agree than ANYONE can give vaping another chance, I did, and with the right gear and setup was able to do it I am glad I kept an open mind.

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Absolutely, true. Until last August I believed myself to be 'committed for life. I couldn't even imagine reducing in a significant way, and for good reason - I had been a 25-30 cigarette a day smoker for over 40 years. Can't even remember the chain of events that led me to joining ecf and beginning to vape. But that happened, and I am grateful. I still smoke. Yesterday, I had two cigarettes - 7:40am and 10:50pm. Not once did I have a 'climbing the walls' moment.

The disinformation about vaping out there is unbelievable. I hear it all the time - 'Vaping is worse - the devices explode ... popcorn lung ... yada, yada, yada ... Those 'health experts' who give credence to the disinformation are going to end up with a lot of blood on their hands.

In a sane world, doctors would be giving out samples of e-cigs to the kind of person I was prior to August 2017.

Unless a smoker approaches me with the intent to know more about vaping and quitting the stinkies i don't usually mess with me, Usually though if i hear some fake comment about vaping (ie: what you hear on the t.v) i usually correct those people and tell them to make their own research and stop believing in the medias all the time. Yes i still get the looks from strangers, yes it's annoying sometimes but 99% of the time i just smile and blow more clouds,specially since were in the winter now soo...... giant clouds ftw

I'm convinced after speaking with and reading about so many of you over the past four years that our only addiction is to the imposed perception that we're vile, unconscionable, susceptible people with no discipline. I quit in 2 days with the Blu never once thinking about my Lights or my almost 2 PAD intractable dependency. This after eight failed tries and serious symptoms or illness over the weeks or months of the attempts. Obviously I was supposed to expect this. I was a hopelessly chronic recidivist despicable smoker.

The true existential threat to our health and lives is government's hopeless addiction to tobacco taxes. It provokes some of the worst in people. And I'm not just talking about smokers.

Extract vaping from tobacco legislation.

Good luck.

But really, how many of us were previously lifetime committed smokers?

This thread--or a variation thereof--tends to pop up every few months or so.

Eventually, the consensus forms that we should:

• leave current smokers alone because if they're interested they'll ask
• not worry about what other people think about what we're doing
• offer advice, support and encouragement when the hopeful tobacco user reaches out

MacTechVpr said:

The true existential threat to our health and lives is government's hopeless addiction to tobacco taxes

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The vaping community has been attacked by "fake news" propaganda constructed from ancient, biased, so-called "scientific" studies. Recent studies have proved every one of those studies to be skewed and/or false.
Landmark Vaping Study Finds E-Cigs ‘Substantially Improve’ Health

There's a reason behind the madness. Its always about the money... corporate greed (Big Tobacco and Big Pharma) and corrupt government (FDA).

Baditude said:

There's a reason behind the madness. Its always about the money... corporate greed (Big Tobacco and Big Pharma) and corrupt government (FDA).

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I agree with the part about greed from tobacco and pharma but the part about a corrupt FDA is ridiculous. Various government agencies may be guided or misguided by politics and beliefs but it isn't corruption.

Former FDA Commissioner Charged in RICO Lawsuit
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...-deaths.html&usg=AOvVaw2S0fPZOKwFzgBU0knor4aY
FDA "Corruption" Letter Authenticated: Lawyers, Start Your Engines! - CBS News
Systemic Corruption at FDA Reported
How the FDA Manipulates the Media
Regulatory Discretion and Corruption in the FDA
Regulatory Discretion and Corruption in the FDA
https://www.google.com/search?clien....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.1.100....0.24btT61Vnwk

I pay very little attention to blogs as news sources. Show me something from an actual news source.