txp

Hi everyone,

I normally fly UA and AA and I am not at all familiar with the rules of DL's Skymiles program. I have some points with AMEX' membership rewards and I considering transferring them over to DL.

I see from DL's website that for 12,500 miles I can get a domestic first class upgrade "from select fares." The website does not mention what these fares are. Does anyone know which booking classes are eligible for domestic upgrades?

Thanks!

HongKonger

For domestic, must be K or higher. And upgrade inventory must be available, which is no guarantee. You can search for certain fare classes or higher on DL.com flight searches.

If you don't have a subscription to Expert Flyer, you can call in to find out of upgrade inventory is available. I suggest doing this and confirming availability before purchasing a ticket or converting MR points to DL miles. You could be stuck with a more expensive coach fare than necessary and miles you can't use.

If you're used to using miles to upgrade on AA/UA, you're in for a rude awakening with DL, particularly internationally. The upside is that domestically the medallion upgrades are unlimited--for now, and YMMV on whether you actually get an upgrade, depends on route and timing.

lamont2718

K+. See http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...l#post20284193

txp

Thanks very much, this is very useful. I did a bit of research and I now understand your point about the difference in upgrades between DL and UA/AA. Some of the K-class fares are not so bad, but often time you can find a discount first class fare for about the same price as the economy K fare. In that case it makes no sense to spend 12,500 miles for an upgrade. Only in some markets where competition is low the K-class fare is significantly lower than the discount first fare. SkyMiles are useful in that instance.

As to international flights, the B fare is ridiculously expensive, typically over $3,000 for TATL. However, I can think of last-minute situations when the B fare on DL plus the upgrade miles would come in cheaper than paying a business class fare on other airlines, which could be as much as $6,000 at the last minute.

As an outsider to the SkyMiles program, it seems to me that the best yield one could get on one's miles is the discounted business class (or domestic first class) award tickets. I wish there was an easy way to search for those. Delta.com is not easy, and Expertflyer does not show award inventory. As someone else mentioned in another post, I would need to try the KVS tool.

txp

Thanks for pointing me to that thread. Lots of useful information there.

pete4212

http://AwardNexus.com will also show DL award inventory (also screen scraped from the Delta.com award search) however unlike other tools it has a free version for FT members and no download required.

howtofreetravel

Getting a miles upgrade last minute is close to impossible

122554

Does anyone on this site ever visit the Delta page for answers to simple questions? Or are they just too lazy to do this simple task?

lamont2718

OP was asking a fair question. Very little (if any) of the information in this thread is available on Delta's website.

HongKonger

This. DL's website doesn't tell you jack. They don't want potential new customers to know how hard it is to upgrade or get decently priced award tickets.

SuperFlyBoy

- See for yourself that DL's site doesn't say anything about fare classes, only "select fares..."

+1.

Yep!

I just told the DL rep on the telephone I wouldn't go near DL based on this. (And their now 72 hour award cancellation policy!)

Brandis

Does anyone know, which "Select fare" classes are eligible for upgrade on intercontinental flights between the US and Europe? (The ones which cost 25'000 miles)

Thanks!

MSPeconomist

Y B M can be upgraded with miles if the right inventory is available. M and most B fares require 25,000 one way, while most Y and a few B fares require fewer miles.

gmax58

I'm looking at flying the following:

ORD-ATL-LAX (stopover)
LAX-OGG (destination)
OGG-LAX-MSP-ORD

I'm considering getting K fares for this flight, but only if I can confirm RP/OP availability on EF for the flights in order to upgrade (trying to burn 60K miles). Assuming that RP/OP is available for all six segments, would I be able to upgrade them at 15K per person each way?

MSPeconomist

If you were using SWUs, the answer would depend on how the fares are written: two SWUs if you have a fare allowing a stopover (perhaps at an additional fee) but three if it's priced as three one ways. I would assume that the same principle applies for upgrades with miles, but I have no experience upgrading such an itinerary with miles.