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DX12 “Will Be Good But Doubt It Will Make Massive Change”- Caffeine Dev

"Incandescent Imaging’s Dylan Browne went from obscurity to underdog indie developer within a matter of days after launching the Indiegogo for Caffeine, a first person horror title developed on Unreal Engine 4."

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Axios23658d ago (Edited 3657d ago )

Since most most X1 games are already native1080p that is great news

@enoob

Do a little research and save yourself the embarrassment, just off the top of my head:

Forza
UFC
NBA
NFS
Tombraider
Lego
Halo CA
Strider
Dying Light
FIFA
Sports Rivals

and still to come

Wolfenstien
Murdered Soul
Skylanders
The Crew

exnoob3657d ago

Lying to yourself isn't healthy!

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tuglu_pati3657d ago (Edited 3657d ago )

this dev is looking for attention. Did he had a hands on with DX12, probably not. Its just speculation from his part.

The only think is that is for sure is that we have to wait and see.

AngelicIceDiamond3657d ago

@noob How is he lying? Those really are in 1080p.

pedrof933657d ago

I like the fact that MS promised that after DX12 pops out, Forza will run at 60/1080p.

They can't even promise properly. Fail.

@Axios -

I don't believe those are the most demanding. Between last gen ports and a racing game that was scandalously downgraded, there isn't nothing to be proud of.

Bimkoblerutso3657d ago

@tuglu_pati

I don't think he's looking for attention. I think he's just speaking from past experiences. DX iterations are ALWAYS fairly incremental upgrades. Necessary, sure, but they've never been the huge generational revolutions that they're almost always marketed as.

Bigpappy3657d ago (Edited 3657d ago )

So easy for Playstion Zealous to jump on this as fact because it is what they want to hear. Yea because we all know this indie developer is the DX12 expert (WHAT IS HIS NAME AGAIN?) I have never heard of him, but I am sure you guys will provide me if all the info I need to cconvince me that he know his crap, and that Nvidia, AMD, Intel and M$ and all trying to mislead gamers and DX12 is a hoax. I got it now we can all just move on cause this guy ssays, there is nothing there.

I really don't know who he is. For all I know, he could be using project sparks to make his indie games.

Saigon3657d ago

DX12 will improve performance for the XBO, but to what extent, we do not know. One of the biggest reason why this gets so much attention is because of when they plan to release the software. We have a while to truly see what can be done, but I will say some devs will implement some beta versions of the API early. Another point is that Sony's OpenGL system already accomplish what DX12 is trying to do, but it seems to constantly get overlooked when comparing the tools. Another reason, which is the big stickler is that people think Sony is just going to sit idle and do nothing; and we all know that is not true especially based on the reports we seen the last few days.

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Elit3Nick3657d ago

@Pedrof93 Shows how little you actually paid attention to the DX12 demo, they said that using DX12, they managed to get a fully functional pc port of Forza in only a couple months. Quit while you're ahead.

awi59513657d ago (Edited 3657d ago )

@Bimkoblerutso

The tessellation in Direct x11 was worth the upgrade from direct x10. You do notice the missing detail when you are running games on direct x10 cards then move to x11

frostypants3657d ago

@tuglu_pati, how is he looking for attention if GamingBolt approached HIM? If anything blame GamingBolt for pursuing seemingly random people for their garbage articles.

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Christopher3657d ago

From: http://www.ign.com/wikis/xb...

XBO @1080p: 12 out of 25

PS4 @1080p: 27 out of 28

While I get what you're saying, you're not selling your point when you include sports, racing sim, kinect, and LEGO games in your argument.

oakshin3657d ago

Cgoodno just owned Axios

MadSientist893657d ago

lol half of those games are sports games yawn.. and the rest are arcade games.. so really think about it it's not really an accomplishment by any means.

SasukeX163657d ago

Tomb Raider has 900p cutscenes And it's 30FPS.... Just saying

metatronx3657d ago

excuse me, sir? Tomb Raider isnt 1080p, at least get your fact straight. And Forza, really? They downgraded the hell out of it to have 1080p and 60fps. lol

WrAiTh Sp3cTr33657d ago

Infamous:SS was downgraded to hell also, lol.

DigitalRaptor3657d ago (Edited 3657d ago )

Wow, so the Xbots continue on that path of delusion regarding inFamous?

It's hard to believe that you can still keep telling yourself this, when the biggest proponent of truth that it wasn't downgraded just released via a patch. It's called the Photo Mode, and there's an entire thread's worth of data that has been provided from in-game shots, proving that:

1) it wasn't downgraded by comparison to pre-release footage, and..
2) that it's stupendously gorgeously detailed and definitively, the best looking next-gen game. http://www.neogaf.com/forum... Whoops. ;)

If that wasn't the first time that you truth-bending, delusional souls were wrong in such an embarrassing way, but this statement just shows how lost you actually are. http://www.dualshockers.com...

Stop trying to find parallels where they don't exist. Just because Forza 5 was disgracefully and massively downgraded and still shipped without people knowing about it, doesn't mean you can continue parroting things just because you want them to be true, so badly.

metatronx3657d ago

@Wraith: nice try there, I bet you looked at those downgraded screenshots months ago lol

KinjoTakemura3657d ago (Edited 3657d ago )

The problem with the xbox1 is that when you have games that are 1080p, something else has to be downgraded. Either the graphics or the fps will suffer for the upgraded resolution. Simply put, xbox1 can't have 60 fps, 1080p, and still have decent graphics. That's just the nature of the beast. Don't get angry with me for saying it, be mad at Microsoft for selling you a set-top-box.

frostypants3657d ago

Technically that's the case with all systems. It's always a balance between resolution, framerate, and textures/effects. But yeah, the PS4 provides more performance to work with and the result is 1080p games with fewer compromises.

Pogmathoin3657d ago

Now people know about this developer.... Thats all this is about....

DarthZoolu3657d ago

If you haven't made a AAA title for X1 or Windows 8 I don't care what you think about tech.

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user74029313657d ago

There u have it folks - real developers opinion.

AO1JMM3657d ago

Small time Indie dev with no hands on with DX 12.

Gamer19823657d ago

OMG I love it so far the only people who have had ANYTHING to say are indie devs. Yet when one says its gonna be a game changer people on here are like YEAH PS4 in trouble! Yet when one says its not gonna make a massive impact like me and others with any bit of tech know how have been saying for months now have been saying hes a liar and only an inide dev so what does he know. Xbox fans are fickle and hold onto a glimpse of hope that a weaker console can somehow out-power a more powerful console with an API alone.. Why can't people just enjoy their games anymore?? Why do they care about this so damn much?? If you have to justify your purchase so much I got an idea.. Buy a PS4 too and save yourself a TON of time and effort.. Its easier and you get to play a LOT more fun games (not a shot at xbox just saying you get he best of BOTH worlds)

lets_go_gunners3657d ago

It's so split between the middle, This discussion. If it's anything like matle which literally doubles framerate it's gonna be major.

Fireseed3657d ago

Really pulling Devs out of the wood work for these quotes aren't we?

I can understand if he had a hands on with it... but he's speculating just as much as the rest of us. This really should be a rumor.

Volkama3657d ago

Show's not over 'til we hear what that angry cactus dev has to say on the matter.

Fireseed3657d ago

Ooooh! We can even get the Virtual Fireplace HD Dev to comment on it! :D

DragonKnight3657d ago

Do you really think that DX12 is going to make up for the hardware?

Fireseed3657d ago

Did I say that it would? No. I've stayed out of this cause of how ridiculous this whole thing has been from both sides.

Another reason why I keep shut about it is because WE HAVE NO IDEA. In all reality MS didn't really show what was up with DX12 so there's MANY ways this thing could play out. Each of them just a s likely as the other.

DragonKnight3657d ago

You say that you've stayed out of this yet you imply that this person's opinion should be dismissed. Sounds like you have an opinion to me.

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Fireseed3657d ago (Edited 3657d ago )

@Dragon

I'm stating this persons opinion is quite funny that it's sought after regardless of how few credentials he has. It's people in one camp desperately grasping at straws to disprove something that NO ONE in the public knows anything about yet. As I stated, if this developer had a hands on with the API then yes I'd totally listen to him. But he hasn't.

It sounds to me like whenever I call one side silly I need to call the other silly as well... But I'm sorry I like to try and talk about the topic at hand. But since you're REALLY pressing for it... I also think people claiming that it's going to do some RIDICULOUSLY beneficial things without knowing anything about it are just as silly.

It's all stupid speculation until a dev or industry professional get's there hands on the API themselves.

maniacmayhem3657d ago

Here's the thing though, Xbox One's hardware is capable of 1080p 60fps just like the PS4. It's just that much harder to do. This has already been established.

What DX12 (as DX11 and past others)will do is hopefully make programming and achieving these resolutions and framerates easier for developers.

No one is saying it will physically make the hardware better. But like all computers and or tech you don't need the biggest and best to achieve most goals you're reaching. It may make it easier but it isn't necessary.

DragonKnight3657d ago

@Fireseed: What you said implies that DX12 is radically different than previous DX applications. What we know about DX is that it's new versions are, at most, incremental upgrades and rarely are they completely different from previous versions. So the question you should ask isn't whether or not he's had experience with DX12, it's whether or not he's had experience with DX period, because it's highly unlikely that DX12 will surprise any developer.

@maniac: That is assuming that DX12 can solve the Xbox One's little ESRAM problem of course.

Fireseed3657d ago

@Dragon
So you're using a entirely baseless aspect of software development to determine the effectiveness of the next release... I mean dude... it's been many years since the last iteration there's NO WAY to tell what this one will actually do.

But what I can't possibly imagine is why this topic being uncertain bothers you so much (actually I do know, I know EXACTLY why the sound of something even being possibly positive for the Xbox makes your skin crawl). Like I'm airing on the side of this being unknown (cause you know... it just simply is) and yet you're trying to get me to believe that it's not good. Completely regardless of your lack of any evidence WHATSOEVER.

DragonKnight3657d ago

@Fireseed: The current latest version of DX is DX11.2 and is part of Windows 8.1, that's not exactly old.

"But what I can't possibly imagine is why this topic being uncertain bothers you so much (actually I do know, I know EXACTLY why the sound of something even being possibly positive for the Xbox makes your skin crawl). Like I'm airing on the side of this being unknown (cause you know... it just simply is) and yet you're trying to get me to believe that it's not good. Completely regardless of your lack of any evidence WHATSOEVER."

Really dude, really? I wonder if you could make a more completely irrelevant assumptive post. You probably could. You merely continue to show that you're not "airing on the side of this being unknown" though, but continue to lie to yourself.

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christocolus3657d ago

@fireseed

Lmao..its baffling how most DX 12 articles bother some gamers this much. Its an api totally related to ms, pc and xbx but the comments in every dx 12 article are mostly from those who own neither those platforms and dont plan to, but they keep coming in to downplay it. Why is it so? Atleast allow those actually interested in seeing what the api can do discuss about it peace... Good lord.

Ill take amd, nvidia and intels comments over any other and I have actually reached out to wardell he tells me he has an nda and can't speak on the topic..ill rather listen to the guys who built the the api or are currenlty using it for upcoming games than any random guy.

DragonKnight3657d ago

Once again making the implication that an api series considered by so many to be terrible at what it does, and being outperformed by alternatives, is going to magically improve hardware issues.

Why is it that every single person who can be considered a fan of the Xbox One (I should say fanboy, but there are levels to consider, but fan in this case isn't entirely accurate either) is so content with immediately accepting statements at their face value and go on the defensive the second anything is dissected, questioned, or analyzed in a non-conformist fashion?

It's a bit like that list of things that could have counter terrorist actions levied against individuals performing anything on that list. It contains conditions like "critical thinking" as having the potential to be a terrorist threat and must be silenced immediately.

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Caffeine & Ashes of the Singularity Developers "Fight" Over Which Game Was The First DX12 Title

In a somehow “calm-before-the-storm” tweet war, Brad Wardell and Dylan Browne discussed which game was actually the first one that took advantage of Microsoft’s new API.

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DarkOcelet3109d ago (Edited 3109d ago )

Who gives a $hit? Both games look very average at best, Caffeine looks like a mediocre Alien Isolation ripoff and Ashes of the singularity looks like Supreme Commander Forged Alliance with more things on screen. And people will most likely care when AAA games are the ones implementing DX12 technology.

donthate3109d ago

At least it shows the relevancy of DX12 that people are fighting over being the first!

Can't wait for DX12 to really hit Xbox One and PC with lots of content. It 's going to be great!!!

Crashbandicoot773109d ago

Really for PC and updated GPU cards!!

donthate3109d ago

@crash:

No. It will benefit any system that has a multi-core CPU and is bound by CPU. DX12 is very efficient at distributing CPU load which is a lot as evident by MS choice to up the clock on the CPU on Xbox One after careful analysis.

Of course it also has other GPU features as the first DX to focus on performance.

So yeah, this will be great for PC gamers as well as Xbox One gamers!

gangsta_red3109d ago

Both games look really good.

Nero21423109d ago

Dont we even have cards that fully supports dx12 ?

pinkyxyz3109d ago (Edited 3109d ago )

Yep Amd gpu series because dx12 is based off of the mantle api

IrishSt0ner3108d ago

It's all in the terminology. Many older cards 'fully support' DX12 but no card on the market today is fully DX12 compliant.

That simply means many NVIDIA / AMD cards will be able to run games using the DX12 API but currently no dedicated GPU will use it's full feature set.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

The table "Direct3D 12 optional feature support matrix by vendor/GPU series" shows feature set compliance.

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Caffeine Is The First DX12 Title, DX12 Offers Up To 20% Performance Improvement

Incandescent Imaging announced today that science fiction adventure title Caffeine – Episode One is the first DirectX 12 title to be released.

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Cobain193117d ago

Good. Now let's see more games supporting DX12

john23117d ago

Yeap, we need more games that support both APIs (DX11 and DX12) in order to see whether there are actual performance benefits

AizenSosuke3116d ago

PC greatness though and Xbox ONE efficiency greatness coming:)

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New To VR: Caffeine Episode One Brings A Cup Of VR Gaming To Steam

VRFocus reports on Incandescent Imaging's episodic sci-fi horror title Caffeine, which has just released Episode One to the Steam digital content platform.