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Ex-Bungie composer Marty ODonnell wins legal fight (document in the OP)

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Under a final ruling issued today from a court-appointed arbitrator, Bungie must honor its agreements with O’Donnell that gave him the right to hold a considerable share of stock in the company. And the filing contains for the first time the ordeal that O’Donnell went through as he quarreled with Bungie over issues of creative freedom and stock ownership in the company that he cofounded. The court papers reveal a rare, unseen story of the making of Destiny, and the internal struggles that happened between Activision, the publisher, and Bungie, the developer of the game that is now played by millions.

http://venturebeat.com/2015/09/04/e...ell-wins-epic-legal-fight-with-former-bosses/

No more quotes except that bit because its mega interesting, enjoy.

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No Love

Banned
Holy shit. Congrats Marty, well-deserved.

Boo on Bungie for trying to fuck him over. Glad the courts made the right choice.
 

KingBroly

Banned
I don't know if "epic" is the term I'd use for legal battles, no matter the outcome or what it's over.

I can't imagine Bungie not appealing this, however.
 

enzo_gt

tagged by Blackace
While Destiny was planned for a September 2013 release, the story was substantially revised in August 2013.
Welp, that explains a lot, especially relative to the final release date.
 
Fuck yes. All the love for Marty. I'm going to read this when I get the time, seems like it'll be interesting to learn some behind the scenes information about Destiny. If it drove many figureheads of Bungie to leave, there's gotta be some reason. We probably won't ever learn of most of it.

Edit: Decided to read it anyway. Goddamn has Bungie changed. Activision has pretty much ruined them in ways that even Microsoft wouldn't have. Ouch. What a shame.
 

Nowise10

Member
Its somewhat relieving to finally got information on what happened. It really sucks Activision is doing what they are to Bungie and Destiny. I feel like the game could've been so much better without them interfering.
 
What a shame how bungie has transformed under activision. What used to be my favorite game developer is now just trash. And the game that was the successor to halo is a huge disappointment.

I can't stand the MMO grinding and repeating content design of the game.
 

MrDaravon

Member
The court papers say that Activision had little enthusiasm for releasing the Music of the Spheres as a standalone work, and O’Donnell became increasingly frustrated that Bungie was making insufficient effort to release it. During E3 2013 preparations, Bungie was getting ready to demo the game for the first time before a huge audience. It was going to play the game music with a trailer, but shortly before E3, Activision took over the trailer work and supplied its own music, rather than the Music of the Spheres segments.

O’Donnell reacted angrily and believed Activision had overstepped its proper role by assuming artistic control of the trailer music. Ryan, the CEO of Bungie, and management shared his concern and filed a “veto” letter with Activision, which overruled the objection. During E3, O’Donnell tweeted that Activision, not Bungie, had composed the trailer music. He also threatened Bungie employees in an attempt to keep the trailer from being posted online, and interrupted press briefings.

The court filings say that O’Donnell believed he was preserving Bungie’s “creative process, artistic integrity, and reputation, keeping faith with fans, and protecting Bungie and its intellectual property from Activision’s encroachment into artistic decisions.” According to O’Donnell’s view, the “Band of Brothers” ethos that had inspired the group’s earlier work was being damaged by the Activision relationship.

Ryan and other Bungie management felt that his conduct “hurt the Bungie team, hurt the game, drove a negative online discussion, and violated Ryan’s instructions.” They also believed that O’Donnell was elevating his interest in publishing Music of the Spheres over the best interests of the company. Activision advised Bungie that O’Donnell’s conduct may constitute a breach of the parties’ contract.

Pretty much no one looks good here. Marty definitely comes out looking the best for sure though.
 

Madness

Member
Solid result for Marty. Anyone doubting his skill, just listen to the music in Destiny. He does hit after hit. Can't wait to hear what he's been doing at Highwire Games with Jaime Griesemer and now Vic Deleon too.

The amount of stock, coupled with the sheer money provided by Activision and the success of Destiny means he's going to be a rich man very soon.
 
Bungie was getting ready to demo the game for the first time before a huge audience. It was going to play the game music with a trailer, but shortly before E3, Activision took over the trailer work and supplied its own music, rather than the Music of the Spheres segments.

This just sounds to me like some suit at activision realizing how much this "music guy" was making and getting angry and saying just to play some licensed rock music instead and stop paying this guy so much money for something he thinks nobody cares about.
 

Smokey

Member
What a shame how bungie has transformed under activision. What used to be my favorite game developer is now just trash. And the game that was the successor to halo is a huge disappointment.

I can't stand the MMO grinding and repeating content design of the game.

Did nobody honestly see it turning out any other way.
 
It's crazy how fast Bungie went from being a fan favorite to generally hated, reminds me of Bioware.

Are they really hated by all that many? Plenty of people complain about destiny, but there seems to be quite a bit of hype and good vibes from the community that actually plays the game lately.
 

Pooya

Member
While Destiny was planned for a September 2013 release, the story was substantially revised in August 2013. That pushed the release date back to March 2014. O’Donnell returned to work after a vacation, but the audio team and his supervisor did not consider him to be fully engaged in his work. The release date of the game, meanwhile, pushed back to September 2014. Bungie set in motion a process to terminate O’Donnell.

everything we thought is true? lol.

Are these all in the document?
 

Cartman86

Banned
The court papers say that Activision had little enthusiasm for releasing the Music of the Spheres as a standalone work, and O’Donnell became increasingly frustrated that Bungie was making insufficient effort to release it. During E3 2013 preparations, Bungie was getting ready to demo the game for the first time before a huge audience. It was going to play the game music with a trailer, but shortly before E3, Activision took over the trailer work and supplied its own music, rather than the Music of the Spheres segments.

O’Donnell reacted angrily and believed Activision had overstepped its proper role by assuming artistic control of the trailer music. Ryan, the CEO of Bungie, and management shared his concern and filed a “veto” letter with Activision, which overruled the objection. During E3, O’Donnell tweeted that Activision, not Bungie, had composed the trailer music. He also threatened Bungie employees in an attempt to keep the trailer from being posted online, and interrupted press briefings.

Wait what?
 

Madness

Member
Remember when we all thought Bungie leaving Microsoft meant they would be in control of their own 'Destiny' and that they wouldn't be beholden to other corps? Activision looks the worst here. Every bad decision regarding Destiny has pretty much been them and they're responsible for someone so key to the success of past Bungie games leaving the company. I mean seriously. They thought making Halo under Microsoft was bad, they're going to be making Destiny under Activision of all companies for the next 7+ years still.
 

DigiMish

Member
Meanwhile, O’Donnell argued that the audio work could not be completed until the game was in a bug-free, playable state. He felt the treatment was unfair but said he would continue to work. Members of the team complained that O’Donnell wasn’t contributing as expected, and his presence was frustrating the completion of the audio work.

That's a pretty bullshit statement right there.
 

Nowise10

Member
Are they really hated by all that many? Plenty of people complain about destiny, but there seems to be quite a bit of hype and good vibes from the community that actually plays the game lately.

Yeah, they definitely are not hated. They are still one of my favorite developers. They still have many of the traits they did during the Halo days. But you can still feel Activision everyweher in the game, and with everything surrounding them. And it sucks.
 

TheSeks

Blinded by the luminous glory that is David Bowie's physical manifestation.
Pretty much no one looks good here. Marty definitely comes out looking the best for sure though.

I dunno about that. You missed the part where he interrupted meetings in spite. They all aren't looking good here, but most of the blame is on Activision for changing their corporate culture. It seems Microsoft, for better or worse, was hands-off so long as they continued to do Halo titles.
 

Usobuko

Banned
In September 2014, Bungie’s first episode of Destiny was released. It had pre-release and first-day orders of $500 million. The third quarter sales amounted to 6.3 million units, or $47.5 million.

I think they meant 630k units here?
 
Yeah, they definitely are not hated. They are still one of my favorite developers. They still have many of the traits they did during the Halo days. But you can still feel Activision everyweher in the game, and with everything surrounding them. And it sucks.

Oh yeah, no doubt in regards to activision.
 

Aselith

Member
I dunno about that. You missed the part where he interrupted meetings in spite. They all aren't looking good here, but most of the blame is on Activision for changing their corporate culture. It seems Microsoft, for better or worse, was hands-off so long as they continued to do Halo titles.

Said the defendant. They have a vested interest in making him look as bad as possible.
 
Are they really hated by all that many? Plenty of people complain about destiny, but there seems to be quite a bit of hype and good vibes from the community that actually plays the game lately.

May just be a GAF/Gamer Clique thing, most people I know who are way into Destiny don't care about it's development beyond what directly affects their character. There has definitely been a huge backlash here though.
 
Don't you shit-stir :p

Definitely an interesting read though.

eh, it wasn't as much of a scoop as i expected, but there's still some solid information in there.

i don't think it says anything we didn't expect though - Activision clearly put their hands in the pot and influenced the game, which is something Bungie explicitly stated would not happen when they announced that they signed a 10 year contract with them.

It's incredibly disheartening to see the effects of that on the other end.
 
I dunno about that. You missed the part where he interrupted meetings in spite. They all aren't looking good here, but most of the blame is on Activision for changing their corporate culture. It seems Microsoft, for better or worse, was hands-off so long as they continued to do Halo titles.

Well Microsoft were definitely hands off when they let them go and try to make a new IP after Halo CE.

Bungie seemingly tried to do it again after Reach (alongside Destiny) and cancelled that one too with the Creative Director on Reach leaving the company at some point after.
 
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