that parity...can't tell the difference

so i just priced up the cpu and the gpu in UK and it comes to over £450 just for those 2 parts to get that difference.
system prices are cheaper in US im sure but silly in UK.

i can get a ps4 with unity game for £329 so pc gamers enjoy there better hair.
but the pic with the pillar still has issues

If you add it up, a console is magnitudes more expensive than even an enthusiast level PC over the course of its lifespan. I was honestly shocked at the difference.

at caylee

YEAR 1

PS4 + PS+

(indie games only so far, 2 per month at 5-10$ each, roughly 80 - 100$ worth of value)

PS4 $399 initial purchase/one time
PS+ $50
FREE GAMES: 24
TOTAL COSTS
$349 ($399 + $50 - ~$100)
costs/value estimate after PS+ Bonis

YEAR 2

PS+ $50
FREE GAMES: 48
TOTAL COSTS
$299 ($349 + $50 - ~$100)
costs/value estimate after PS+ Bonis

YEAR 3

PS+ $50
FREE GAMES: 72
TOTAL COSTS
$249 ($299 + $50 - ~$100)
costs/value estimate after PS+ Bonis

... after 4 years you have pretty much paid only $199 for a PS4 and gotten 70+ games for free in return, you do not really need to buy any other games, the longer you sub, the better your value/investment (YEAR 1) will be.

(assuming that the PS+ value of games is always around $100 each year (not inl. any "real games")

In other words :

grab a ps4 and sub for 4+ years and use it a netflix machine + indie support + F2P titles and if you purchase a ps4 for cheaper than $399... well.

@thisismyaccount

You arent taking into account paying more to buy any game you actually want to play. This can be as much as 10-30usd per new game released. That adds up very quickly in a year.

Also while on PS+ you need to pay 50usd to get free games. On Steam you get free games by paying nothing. There are many free games on Steam too. You cant use that to justify the high price of games you actually want to buy.

Also its a fact that Steam or other PC networks offer much better discounts and much sooner than any console network or retailer ever can.

In the long run Console gaming is surely more expensive than PC. Plus when the Gen ends, you cant even play all the games you bought on the next console, an advantage PC clearly holds. Look at all the games being touted for rereleasing this gen alone and how console gamers are desperate to pay again to play what they already paid for.

Factor in the hidden costs, Console gaming is very expensive.

Why do the consoles STILL not do anisotropic filtering properly? WHY?

It's such a low cost filter that makes a big difference to textures but it's still not always done on the newest consoles. 16x aniso has been used by every PC gamer everywhere for at least a decade because it really doesn't take a lot of performance. Yet I still see tonnes of console games not using a higher quality! Just the other day I also noticed it is incredibly poor on the Master Chief collection.

If you don't know what I mean, then look at the courtyard block paving and red carpet pattern. In the foreground it is clear, as it goes further back the texture all blurs to crap on console. It's still pin sharp on PC because of the anisotropic filtering.

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GTX970 is worth every penny, and I don't even game on pc as often as on PS4

@Kaylee

Lol no

You don't get to negate the original cost of your total pc and just compare the GPU cost to a console The comparison would be original cost of your pc (minus the old gpu I'll give you that) + the new gpu.

@Magnes

"You don't get to negate the original cost of your total pc and just compare the GPU cost to a console The comparison would be original cost of your pc (minus the old gpu I'll give you that) + the new gpu."

As you wish, but remember i made my PC during the time PS3 was still in its hay days and cost 600usd. My PC cost me 800 usd.

So cost of PS3 + ps4 (600 + 400) = 1000usd.

Cost of my PC 800usd + 350usd gpu(new gtx 970) = 1150 usd

Now account during the last 6 years every game bought has been 20-30 usd cheaper on the PC. I must have bought about 15-20 games a year. that would equate to about 500usd saving a year(this doesnt consider Steam discounts hence is still highly conservative calculation real savings would be much higher), multiply that by 6 years. Thats about 3000 usd saving in software alone.

PC still cheaper and can still run all the games i bought in the last 6 years and plays current games better than PS4. Good luck rebuying everything bought on PS3 as HD remakes lol.

So there you go, it further proves my point console gaming is expensive.

I left PC gaming not that I wasn't enjoying it but it became too much hassle, constant upgrades software clashes and driver issues just became annoying.

I bought the PS3 for the Blu-Ray player but soon realised gaming on it was so much easier, buy a game stick it in and you know it will work, there are good reasons for PC gaming and I'm not knocking it but for those that just want to play consoles are the best option.

Depends on how much the PC in question cost. Any comparison that doesn't fully describe in detail the hardware platform of the PC in question is invalid. Regardless, the differences are marginal in these shots...you're lying to yourself if you claim otherwise.

@frosty

I agree with you, Screenshots dont do the differences justice.

One game running between 30-60fps and another dipping to 15fps is a game breaker. Screen shots dont show that extra power.

At least on PC you can downgrade the graphics yourself to the point where you have a stable frame rate this is when your hardware is weak. You arent dictated by some developer on how your game runs.

Imo dips down to 15fps are simply unacceptable and the screen shots dont show that.

After paying 2-3x what a console costs to get a decent PC, you'll come to find the game still runs like crap. It's a crappy game that was coded terribly. When even the PC version has performance issues on the best hardware on the market, you know you need to hire new developers to make your games.

@Caylee

The conversation is about the current gen system you don't get to throw the Ps3 in there to inflate the cost. What does it cost for hardware to play AC Unity at least that's what I'm referring to as well as the article. I have Xb1,PS4,and a gaming rig I even bought AC4 on steam I'm no fanboy. Throwing the Ps3 in there to inflate come on.

@frosty

I can list you several AAA games that ran crappy on the PS3 and by the looks of it the trend seems to be in place for the PS4. It wasnt just a few games.

So whats the point of the 400usd console that dips to 15fps. I rather put the 400 usd in a bank or on something that actually works.

Not my problem if Sony has a habbit of making hard to code machines and the devs dont have the time to optimize for it. Sony should have given the PS4 a real CPU problem solved, tablet CPUs just dont cut it.

Installing tablet CPUs then charging 400usd lol, you get what you pay for.

@cayleee

Unitys recommended rig is a beast.

"I put time into Unity on an IGN PC with a Core i7-4670 CPU, a GeForce GTX 780, and 8GB RAM. With all of the graphical settings maxed at Ultra presets and 1920x1080 resolution, it ran at about 30fps, sometimes dipping into the 20s in the midst of major crowds. With a few minor tweaks, such as reducing shadow quality and bloom lighting, we got it running in the ballpark of 40 to 50, save for in-engine cutscenes which tended to dip back down into the 30s."
-IGN

everyone that has the rig to run at ULTRA settings, above 1080p and at 60 FPS, SOUND OFF!! I want to know what setup your running.

Can you read? "Our last comparison from gameplay confirms everything we’ve seen so far. Everything from the shadows to chandeliers etc. is much more crisp on PC, but it should also be noted that the PC taking those screenshots is a lot more expensive than a PlayStation 4." Also not to be rude but ubisoft usually makes better console games then pc ports, so stop your crying. The tech was too much for a console it seems.

@ Cayleee - Decrypt and T900

I highly doubt any of you can maintain 30fps at the bare minimum settings-

Anyone trying to run this game on Ultra with 30+ FPS is going to be paying out the arse.

Any of you can please prove me wrong and post your PC setup here with cost.

Just in case you try to leave something out.

Case-
Power Supply-
HDD-
RAM-
Mobo-
CPU-
GPU-

Don't forget operation system- $120

(I'm sure all of you are running Linux systems right?)

Also plan on keeping this system for it's 10 year life cycle.

Want to just upgrade? 10 years ago you probably would be running a socket 775 CPU so don't forget to change out your motherboard.

Also in 2007 we updated from DDR2 to DDR3 RAM so don't forget about that.

One more thing-
With each passing year your games will be losing image quality to keep up with the times, while console image quality is getting better each year.

Compare what you can do on a PC and what you can do on a PS4 and you will see how expensive a PS4 are. How many worthless PS3 and PS3 games are there out there? PS2? PS1?

On PC you will own the games even if you change hardware. For consoles you need to keep every console to be able to play older games.

Games are more expensive on PS4.

Can you install other OSes on PS4? Can you program? Surf the web? Run great applications?

You can game and maybe watch some netflix depending on if Sony allows you to.

You can't compare what you get from a PC to what you get from a console.

@ elweon

"Can you install other OSes on PS4? Can you program? Surf the web? Run great applications?"

Now you are comparing apples to oranges-

Let me change your comparison from
PC VS PS4 to lets say...
Smart phone VS your PC

My phone can:
Surf the web - From anywhere
Make calls - From anywhere
Text - You get the point
Play games- Which are less expensive then on PC
I can install another OS on my phone
I can get GPS directions

Yadda, yadda, yadda

My phone costs about $800 new and does all of those things so it's better then your PC right?

Wrong it's a PHONE first and foremost.

"You can't compare what you get from a PC to what you get from a console."

For the most part yes, because.. One is a Personal COMPUTER the other is a GAME console.

You would have had slightly better argument if you compared a PC to the Xbox One which is trying to be a PC/STB/Receiver/Console/etc.

HAHAHA best comment.