Gangsta:

One person =/= an entire user base. The only thing you've proven is that you are really good at making blanket statements, and over-generalizing... And you apparently enjoy the taste of your own foot.

Ziggurcat please point out where i blamed the entire user base?

I said MOST of you, not ALL of you, the same way Spotie said MOST Xbox gamers.

Interesting that you comment on my "over generalizing" and "blanket statements" but seem to walk right past Spotie's who according to your logic did the EXACT SAME THING

...why is that Ziggurcat?

No need to answer, because it's really obvious why.

I do enjoy the taste of my food. Just last night I made a lemon and herb glazed pollo with black beans and queso fresco with fresh guacamole. Delicious...but how does that relate to the topic?

Edit:
Aaaah, "food" is now "foot", that makes more sense.

Nice edit Ziggurcat ;)

@Digital
And MS has been doing all that since the 360. I can go on and list a ton of indie games we supported over the years, not to mention the Indie channel, but it doesn't change the fact that you and others have made a bigger deal out of indies now than you ever have back then.

And again I have to ask why do you and Ziggercat get hung up with me saying "most" when Spotie did the exact same right above in his comment.

As I said before, you guys are making a big deal out of indies and adding them to your listwar because not only did Sony tell you they're the bees knees now, but now it's convenient for your arguments on which system has more games.

When 360 owners tried to add indie games to their list to boost their exclusives during the last remaining years of the console, you guys made damn sure to make it known indie games didn't count.

Dude, you are wrong.

There is no bandwagon jumping.. I'll repeat what I wrote in regards to your feelings about this a few days ago:

Plenty of Sony gamers were "on board the indie scene", and praising indie games online since Flower came out in 2009 or earlier, and Sony made a strong effort to foster these developers. When the quality games like Limbo, Braid, Fez and Castle Crashers came over to PS3, we bought them. When Fat Princess, Trine, Super Stardust HD, Dead Nation, Guacamelee, Rag Doll Kung Fu, Journey (how could you forget?), The Unfinished Swan, Joe Danger, Velocity, Oddworld, Papo & Yo, Tokyo Jungle and the many PixelJunk games came to PS3, we bought them. The list goes ever on. Hotline Miami was a hit and praised by PS fans, and we sure as heck bought it as the sequel is scheduled for PS4 and Vita, but not Xbox. The list goes on. Telltale games. The list goes on.

You can't say MOST of us, with what I just mentioned. This whole "bandwagon" excuse is just that, when there's proof than both Sony and its fans have been incredibly supportive of indie games and its focus for a large part of last-gen. Sony have just geared it up amazingly this generation by making a console that is very accessible and harnessing the potential of a small group of independent developers more than ever.

@gansta:

you're still generalizing, doesn't matter if you said most or all. the idea that PS owners only suddenly started supporting indies only after sony's <3 indies campaign is, again, unequivocally false. PS owners have been supporting indies for a long time. bu-bu-but they dumped on indies last gen? sorry, but you're over-generalizing there, too. a minority of the community =/= the whole community.

and i never edited the comment from "food" to "foot." it always said foot.

"As I said before, you guys are making a big deal out of indies and adding them to your listwar because not only did Sony tell you they're the bees knees now, but now it's convenient for your arguments on which system has more games."

more blanket statements, and generalizations. just keep digging that foolish hole of yours...

"When 360 owners tried to add indie games to their list to boost their exclusives during the last remaining years of the console, you guys made damn sure to make it known indie games didn't count."

please cite a specific example because that never happened. you're making it all up.